That referendum ...

[Openlaw15]

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I'll attempt to move the debate further forward again. European Council President Donald Tusk saying UK must accept the four freedoms which include freedom of movement to have access to the EU Market. However, I should just point out that the US has an agreement with the EU but there is no freedom of movement. I think the Journo who wrote this might not understand that the UK can gain access without freedom of movement but MIGHT have to not only pay a fee for the privilege but possibly end up with tariffs.

BTW Rajoy, Spanish PM(and no majority in Spain) has stated that if UK go so do Scotland .

Dusk is talking about a Full Economic Union c/o the 2012 Consolidated version of the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Union, with the four pillars, ie: Freedom of Movement for workers: Article 45, and rights for persons to be established in other Member States: Art 49: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...6:FULL&from=EN . The one you're discussing is called a Common Market Agreement, ie there is an agreement for Free Trade with the EU countries along with an external trade policy for other countries outside the European Union. Or alternatively the Free Trade for the EU countries by itself.

[Amethyst]

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Tariffs - https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e..._kingdom_e.htm

[PAWS]

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maybe a little after his lifetime, bet he'd be quite upset about how things are in his beloved Greece these days and as he once said

'One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.'

An excellent point -that is why we should all use our vote!

[EXC]

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What does 'access' to the EU Single Market mean? Part 1
BBC business correspondent Jonty Bloom writes ...

After the referendum British business is trying to explain to the government what it wants from the negotiations to leave the EU and what everyone seems to be talking about is "access" to the single market, but as the prime minister said at PMQ's today, "access to the single market has many potential different meanings".

Japan and the USA have "access" and as one economist told me, even Haiti does.

But many countries have to negotiate a trade deal, pay tariffs, get through customs, and all abide by EU rules and regulations to get their goods into the EU - and they don't have a say on those rules.

By comparison at the moment we are members of the EU's Single Market and have been for decades, we enjoy totally free movement of goods, finance, and people around the EU, without any tariffs and we have a say on how the rules are written.

That's why much of business thinks "access" should mean "membership of" the single market, what David Cameron today called the "best access".

What does 'access' to the EU Single Market mean? Part 2
BBC business correspondent Jonty Bloom writes...

The UK will work hard to negotiate the best possible trading access for all its industries and that could involve membership of the Single Market. That is quite achievable - other countries are already in the Single Market without belonging to the EU but crucially, they all allow free movement of EU citizens and pay into EU funds.

Leave supporters believe we can cut an especially favourable deal, but the Society for Motor Manufacturers and Traders has said today it also wants the UK "to shape EU regulations on the cars we drive and buy" and that will be much more difficult once we are no longer members of the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

[nemesis45]

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it SHOULD be taught in school (I know Austria does already ... age appropriate of course) ... so many of our younger generation (and older ones too) have no idea what goes on in politics

It seems to me (getting feed back from teenage grandchildren and some in their early 20's) that the British Parliamentary system is functions and it's historical querks are simply just not taught.
One of my grandsons very much an above average student ( 13) asked a teacher why EU " history " and the functions of its various levels committee's, commissions , and it's parliament were taking priority within his history/ civic studies course but nothing about our parliament and it's functions and history were completely ignored, the reply was staggering " The UK Parliament is unimportant now and there's no point in wasting time on it"!!!!

It's no wonder not many 18-25 year olds did not bother to vote.
A sad and worrying attitude in my opinion.

nem

[enaid]

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So free movement of goods, finance and people, firstly placing people in the same category as goods is a bit naff and secondly those other countries may not be the first choice or the last for the majority that want to migrate. Seems we are overly popular on that score. Thirdly finance all that flitting about just hides corruption.

[Openlaw15]

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What does 'access' to the EU Single Market mean? Part 1
BBC business correspondent Jonty Bloom writes ...


What does 'access' to the EU Single Market mean? Part 2
BBC business correspondent Jonty Bloom writes...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120

Well, the likes of Fords (which also has correlations to Eugenics - correlation means a link but not necessarily cause and effect) benefit from the EU as they can start up their mini version of Fords in the poor countries of the EU to exploit the poor EU country's staff. EU regulations won't mean the likes of Fords will be forced to pay said EU citizens better wages. The EU is like the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank (WB) in that EU trade for companies like Ford (JLR) benefits them by oppressing the poor, just like the American commercial but mainly banking interests exploit foreign laws to oppress foreign people in those countries, ie Iraq for IMF, WB, by taking control of their assets ie oil, calling it democracy since they moved Hussein the dictator. Nice.

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I know we have all seen families where, well let’s just say the mother, aunt and sister are less than 3 people but I still think everyone has a right to vote. Remember that in our lifetime Homosexuality was considered a mental illness!
I also think that prisoners should have the right to vote -OK not to saunter down to the polling station but some facility should be set up inside. After all, many of the people we are voting for are often more crooked then those who are locked up.
The areas with the lowest turnout on polling days are always the ones that need more help and I just think if the politicians knew that they were being judged by these people they would more inclined to heed their requests.

The law defines homosexuality as 'emotionally attracted'

[Kati]

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Well, the likes of Fords (which also has correlations to Eugenics - correlation means a link but not necessarily cause and effect)

Fords ?? As in Ford (the car company)?

[nemesis45]

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Fords ?? As in Ford (the car company)?

I thought OL was talking about Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy!!

[PAWS]

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The law defines homosexuality as 'emotionally attracted'[/QUOTE]

I did state in our lifetime -I think it was until about 1987.

[PAWS]

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Fords ?? As in Ford (the car company)?

I think OL might be about to tell us about Henry Ford and his interest in eugenics.

[Amethyst]

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Hopefully that'll be restricted to the other thread though.

[des8]

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..and I bet it will be based on Edwin Black's book.

[wales01man]

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At the moment everyone is just guessing what may happen with trade and migration until we leave and new rules are created nothing is set in stone. After the fall in the FT on Friday its up over 3% today does that tell us something?

[nemesis45]

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Hopefully that'll be restricted to the other thread though.

Read only thread Please!:tinysmile_twink_t2: