That referendum ...

[Openlaw15]

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I dunno OL, reading through some of the comments lot's of his supporters seem to think he's the bee's knees and 'stuck it to them'

was just so unnecessary......that's really not the way to reach hearts and minds

[Amethyst]

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Can I just remind everyone to avoid making personal insults please and keep in mind the sensitivities surrounding the issues being discussed. This is a thread about the Referendum and political turmoils and I do think other discussions which have digressed a little from that direct topic should be confined to the lamp post or in private.

[Openlaw15]

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Sorry, but the detail is important if one bases a thesis on it.
My post 404 actually corrected one of your details, and others corrected other details.
Basic logic!

It's analogous to me stating something but the critique relates more to the sentence structure than the point of the sentence itself.. Argue with the point that am making, not the detail in the sentence otherwise it's not really worth it. When I was writing the many law assignments I never once resorted to emotion; I instead was objective in that I concentrated on the main point the author was making and critiqued the ideas substantively. I think logic is arguing with the point the author is conveying not the non salient points that are said in passing.

[Amethyst]

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This isn't a law assignment OL, it's a discussion thread, not a test.

[des8]

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Obviously not a philosopher.
statements (point of a sentence?) predicated on premises which are false (incorrect facts) will lead you to a four footed syllogism.

Good night

[Amethyst]

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Lol.

Sky news


More Sky news

On Nicola Sturgeon, I like her, she is very good, and I did comment to my other half during the election debates in 2014 that she'd be a good PM ( after a particularly good speech) - but I have changed my view slightly over the last weeks and she is, I fear, coming across as slightly more self interested than she should be.

If only others were like me I support no party in particular most politicians have some good ideas pity we could not create the perfect one a person who has the respect of everyone
Any candidates???????

We have often discussed 'dream team' political party here, much like fantasy football. I am Conservative but I do have conflicts ( as I'm sure everyone does) and it would be a good old mix of all the parties ( and it wouldn't include Boris , Gove or Farage )

[Amethyst]

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Had to bloody Google 'syllogism'.... so to save that showing up in Google Trends....

syllogism
ˈsɪləˌdʒɪz(ə)m/
noun
noun: syllogism; plural noun: syllogisms

an instance of a form of reasoning in which a conclusion is drawn from two given or assumed propositions (premises); a common or middle term is present in the two premises but not in the conclusion, which may be invalid (e.g. all dogs are animals; all animals have four legs; therefore all dogs have four legs ).
deductive reasoning as distinct from induction.

Good night Des xx

[Openlaw15]

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Obviously not a philosopher.
statements (point of a sentence?) predicated on premises which are false (incorrect facts) will lead you to a four footed syllogism.

Good night

I made several controversial statements during that paragraph but there was no critique...but the countries were said in passing, which there was critique, perhaps pointless critique.

[leclerc]

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Do we think that the weakness of the Labour Party might give the new leader of the Conservative Party the vitriol to call a general election?

If so do we think that the LibDems who will go with a platform of taking the UK into the EU will win seats?

[wales01man]

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I see no need for an election before the end of this term what good would it do some say Labour cannot win with Jeremy Corbyn and many conservative voters may not like the new leader if its Boris If the lib Dems get a few more MPs and UKIP get some may be a hung parliament trouble brewing with that im thinking
The country needs some stability and a strong Government for the next few years to see through the change .

[Amethyst]

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Bloody terrible what's happened in Turkey tonight. We really should all work together to combat this threat - splitting apart now is really the worst possible thing we can do (in my opinion).

On the UK, I think it may well be heading to a new GE with the hope ( of both parties) that it will give the new government a mandate to not trigger Article 50. It would concern me that UKIP may gain more seats if a GE is brought too soon though. LibDems were reporting a massive surge in membership, off the back of Farron & Clegg stating they'd fight to keep us in the EU, but how that would translate to votes in a GE I don't know. Labour don't have a hope (IMO) because of this kerfuffle, unless someone totally amazing takes over and appoints yet another new cabinet.... Conservatives, well, it massively depends on who takes over as PM now.

Things are definitely too uncertain to go into negotiations with the EU right now, and I'm in no doubt that Farage should be kept as far away from the negotiating table as possible.

I think best option would be to get May in as PM and get those white papers and select committees working out what we actually want to negotiate for.

I know sweet fanny adams about politics though, so it is just my random thoughts.

The country needs some stability and a strong Government for the next few years to see through the change .

Absolutely.

[leclerc]

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7105396.html

Interesting article re young people.....

[enaid]

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I really don't think at the moment we should have a PM at all, I would have a committee with a speaker to take us forward, they could be members from any party. As long as they had the guts, brain and heart to get us through this challenging few months/years. While I think the majority should come from the leave side there should also be members from remain as I do think both can contribute to decisions made.
When the decisions and deals are finalised then we should have a general election hoping that all parties have sorted out their problems and have decent and honest manifestos that can actually work and work for the people.
Also a note to whoever takes on education ministers job, basic politics and finance should be number 2 on school curriculum after the 3 rs lol

[Guest]

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When you critique someone you're supposed to use evidence to back that up, not just cite information as though it were facts, without anything to validate your statements. I cannot believe how anal retentive people are on this website, they're just so literal. It's as though they're very insecure. Superiority, I mean really - how about grow up! In my view the 2nd world war was the great war as it was nearly lost which would have tremendously changed the modern world as we know it. In any event if I were to have intended 'a great war' with emphasis I'd have done that. Francis Galton is not thought to be the originator of eugenics at all and I never said that. I said that prominent members in society were eugenic. I stated: 'are said to have' ...I never said it was a fact....now you're losing credibility as though can't tell the difference between any opinion I were to hold, a thing alleging something to have occurred, or a fact which was cited from a source. Stop personalising things....don't you have the ability to make a statement without it being ad hominem?

What is sauce for the goose!

I could have referenced these academics or even referenced the statements I made, but I am typing with one finger on an iPad without access to the material. I could even quote an extract from an essay what I wrote but am not that conceited, I am not a published academic.

You our made some claims such as the Germans got the ideas from Britain and America , I merely pointed out they could have got them from much earlier dunces such as Plato.

[enaid]

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What is sauce for the goose!

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