That referendum ...

[leclerc]

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And I would add that Farage was not all just full of shyte but he does know how to manipulate the facts. He said, before the referendum, that the EU would open talks with Turkey on EU membership the week after the referendum. Well, he is right but he is wrong. They have have further talks but they are a long way away from accession since only one chapter of 35 have been provisionally closed:

http://avrupa.info.tr/en/resource-ce...rovisions.html

[enaid]

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If the EU want Turkey or anyone else in for that matter or for whatever reason they will be in imo

[Guest]

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Well I emailed my MP with my concerns and he has agreed with many of the points I raised such as a poor performance of the remain campaign, the reasons that people voted out were often not valid reasons for exit but included a protest vote against the government or on problems that have nothing to do with the EU.

As expected he believes that as the country has spoken, politicians must now implement what is best for the country although what that is, god alone knows as I have yet to come across a politician that told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

I really am appalled by the racist and xenophobic attitudes seen in some sections of society.

When you think, most of us were immigrants to some extent and at least one poster on this forum may well not have existed had we not taken in immigrants in the past.

Oh incidentally my MP is a long standing Tory backbencher

[wales01man]

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Berti,
it was a democratic vote where the side you did not support won is it right that the remain side now try any means to get the vote squashed, If you don't agree with the next election result what are you going to do then?
The racists and zenophobic comments are probably not the result of the vote but a few stupid morons latching onto the band wagon of stupid idiots making stupid remarks only now the media are publicising them more

[Guest]

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Walesman

I totally understand that we voted to leave however I could not live with myself if I did not express my concerns to my MP and in general. It is perfectly clear that people voted to leave for a variety of reasons, some nothing to do with the EU and others voted for a variety of options ranging from Norway style EEA membership to complete exit.
I believe the best option, is that the EU make enough concessions to mean a new referendum can be called , if that does not happen then EEA membership.

As for your comment about a general election, well obviously a general election is for 5 years whereas the is more likely for far longer, probably longer than many of us will live. I would continue to campaign against a government that I disagreed with, my MP has a duty to represent all his constants regardless of if they voted for him.

My fear with the racism and xenophobia is that this has been there all the time and now people are feeling safer to express it.


On a side note, the nationalist socialist party rose to power , initially through protest votes against the Weimar republic and we know where that ended.

[leclerc]

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Not sure if this is the right time for a post brexit discussion but the founder of Lush has supposedly stated that because of the vote he is making his products for the European market overseas. That's all good and done for but it kinda contradicts what his company said in February 2016.
You judge it:
Article in yesterdays edition: http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/new...d/?ref=mr&lp=1

However in February 2016: http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/new...rising_demand/


So what story is it? Is it his failure to grasp the basic thing that the UK population did not vote to kick johnny foreigner out or is it that trade is doing so well that a new factory is needed that will service most of mainland Europe? Sometimes directors need to take their foot out of their big mouths!!

[Guest]

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I think much has been made of apparent u turns by Mark Carney and president Obama as well as some politicians. I think this needs to be looked at in light of a crashing pound and volatile stock market. They are trying to reassure the markets,

personally i think PVT Fraser had it right

We're all doomed

[meellis]

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Berti I am afraid that the voices of doom are getting too much coverage somewhere. There are some businesses that are doing really well due to the fall in value of the pound and there have been a lot of businesses struggling because of the high price of sterling over the years and for them it is still not low enough. If anything this whole episode is exposing how we as a country depend so much on others and have lost the will and strength to be self sufficient. Over the years we have concentrated so much on the city that we have let all the other businesses suffer to such an extent that we don't have as many as we need. As someone once said you cannot make sustainable wealth from looking after other peoples money you can only do it from producing things. Unfortunately if the city firms leave it will just go to prove that person right and as for Mark Carney trying to reassure the markets its exactly what is needed if you want to keep the financial services here. That is exactly what Cameron and Osbourne should have been doing as soon as the result was known instead they just added fuel to the uncertainty by either quitting or inaction.

[Amethyst]

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Toyota this morning have said they are staying here for the foreseeable ( and peoples' jobs are safe ) but also that their future does rely somewhat on what trade deals are negotiated.....

[EXC]

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In this week's Eye:

£8.5bn - UK taxpayers' net contribution to EU in 2015
£10.8bn - UK taxpayers' loss on RBS & Lloyds shares since Brexit vote

[enaid]

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£8.5bn - UK taxpayers' net contribution to EU in 2015
£10.8bn - UK taxpayers' loss on RBS & Lloyds shares since Brexit vote

'appen putting all their eggs in one basket hasn't helped

Lloyds and RBS most exposed to falling commercial property prices

[Crazy council]

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In this week's Eye:


£8.5bn - UK taxpayers' net contribution to EU in 2015



£10.8bn - UK taxpayers' loss on RBS & Lloyds shares since Brexit vot

is that losses, as in quantifiable transactions, or just losses on share asset price. I am deeply for remain, but fully agree that we can go alone, were perhaps in a better position than it seems as a country/economy.

[wales01man]

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Tax payers have not lost a penny its the value of shares held on paper not cash in bank another one from the losers in the referendum vote

[PAWS]

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Sorry, not read this thread for a few days -Busy selling my Irish Passport on Ebay :tinysmile_twink_t2:- have just been catching up.
Many of the people who scoffed at the reasons to remain before the vote will still scoff now. No plummeting markets or currency will convince them as it does have a tendency to fluctuate as gamblers try to grab bargains and then the treasury rush to prop up the pound to ally our fears but this is like putting a corn plaster on a broken leg.
Naturally the big companies such as Nissan will not pull out immediately as they have invested a lot in their UK bases but the amount they will lose if we do not negotiate trade agreements will be catastrophic. The north East will not know what hit it when they pull out. Small and even some medium sized business’ are already feeling the pinch as they do not have the large contracts and agreements that will help them weather the dip in confidence in the UK.
Just because they are not headline news does not mean it is not happening. Just because we are getting depressed by prophecies of gloom and doom does not mean all will be well.
We cannot just throw a cushion at the telly and say ‘go away nasty man’.
So it all depends on the government negotiating sound trade agreements. Just look at the state of parliament! Which one of them would you trust to hold the future of your country in their slippery hands? Who do you believe has the power to stand up and make a good argument for UK trade agreements? They are all far too busy tearing each other to pieces.
I know everyone is sick of the gloom and doom but we also need to be aware that what happens now will greatly affect the future. This is not a time to say ‘oh they are all the same and no one cares about the ordinary people’. Whether we like it or not it is the big business guys or ‘fat cats’ as we like to call them, the slimy bankers, the shady traders and the big investors, yes who are all just looking out for themselves, that keep this economy turning over and as a consequence we have jobs, schools, healthcare and social welfare. Now we might see flaws in all those services but at least they do exist and actually work for most.
Right now Westminster looks more like a Sandbox. I do not know what we need to do but something needs to be done fast. Simply pulling up the blankets will not make this ‘boogie man’ go away.

[meellis]

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Again scary forecasts from posters, have any of the big companies like Nissan actually come out and declared they are leaving and give a date. I am sure if I was running a big company and new deals were about to be discussed I would try to force them in my favour with threats of relocation. The one thing for certain is all of this as been brought about by the referendum and it is being brought to the forefront now. The future though is something that nobody can correctly predict. We could stay in Europe and have great success and power, stay in Europe and slowly see our power and democracy being lost to them, leave Europe and become a successful and prosperous independent country or leave Europe and fail. Many different scenarios however the vote went and there isn't any one that is guaranteed but we are more likely to fail, staying in or leaving, if the government is self interested and incoherent. All sized companies are always feeling the effects of market forces, it is part of business, but if they are really feeling it more now when nothing much has happened apart from the result of a vote and induced panic you really have to wonder how strong they were in the first place. It was on the radio earlier that they want to set up a group to hold brexiteers to account for any lies or failed promises made during their campaign, why they should be made account of more than any other politician who has lied or failed to hit their targets I cannot understand. Leave or stay the future has to be shaped, the big question will be who by, us or Europe, London or Brussels, they all still hold the keys to power.