That referendum ...

[EXC]

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Which? Brexit FAQs & roaming charges http://try.which.co.uk/brexit?utm_so...gnbrexit080716

Not that Which? have the answers on what's going to happen with existing EU roaming regs but it's an example of what the UK consumer will miss out on in terms of positive EU consumer protection rules in the future. Brexit sucks.

[Amethyst]

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Brexit sucks.

Yes it does. I'm sure you said you voted for it though. lol.

Flight delay compensation is another thing we'll lose.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ne...-compensation/

[wales01man]

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Roaming charges ? are they that important as for flight delays I have never been on a plane probably never will so wont affect me

[Amethyst]

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Currently there's about £300 million paid out in flight delay compensation to UK customers. ( I haven't been on a plane since 2006 but I still care about consumer protections being diminished regardless of whether I am directly affected or not)

[PAWS]

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The number of dairy farms in England and Wales has fallen by more than 1,000 in three years, an industry body has reported.
One in ten farms has closed since June 2013, according to the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB).
North Yorkshire lost 89 farms, the highest total of any county, while Berkshire saw the highest rate of decline with a third of farms closing.
The board said it was concerned by the milk price paid to farmers.

An AHDB spokesman said some farmers were still paid about ten pence a litre less than the cost of production, despite protests by the National Farmers' Union last year.
The board said North Yorkshire had lost more than one in seven farms over the period, while Berkshire had lost seven of its 22 farms.
Yorkshire dairy farmer Jeremy Holmes said traditional dairy farming was "in a mess", with "far too much milk on the market".
He said he had survived by buying a vending machine to sell raw milk on his farm at Denby Dale near Huddersfield at £1 per litre, about three times the price paid by supermarkets.


Angus Hodge, a dairy farmer at Padworth in Berkshire, said: "The last couple of years have been a struggle with the milk price dropping but we've had to trim our costs, with eyes to the future when the milk price picks up."
Despite the closure of farms, the number of dairy cows in the UK increased by around 113,000 between 2013 and 2015 according to figures from the House of Commons library.
The report said the average herd size had risen as smaller producers left the industry.
During that period, milk prices fell by about 30%.
The report said UK milk production had increased by 8% between 2013 and 2014, mainly due to a higher yield per cow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36764592

So why do we import so much?

Good point -we import food products but we also export. This gives all farmers in all EU countries a fairer share of the EU market place. However many other EU countries offer more support to their farmers as well as their local industries. It is due to domestic issues our farmers have had a raw deal.
Unfortunately the EU subsidies doled out to small farmers was often the only thing they had to keep them going. We are already seeing a huge decline in small farms and the future without the EU payments and market place will be catastrophic. It will, I am afraid be a return to large landowners controlling home grown food.

[enaid]

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Not that Which? have the answers on what's going to happen with existing EU roaming regs but it's an example of what the UK consumer will miss out on in terms of positive EU consumer protection rules in the future. Brexit sucks.

You can't seriously blame that totally on Brexit jeez the EU don't set up the regulators here that are not fit for purpose, they are the ones need a good sorting. Rules bent to suit, banks doing whatever they please, 40 yrs and the EU has stopped none of that even the reclaiming bank charges only enabled cause of EU hasn't got the banks to behave.

[des8]

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The number of dairy farms in England and Wales has fallen by more than 1,000 in three years, an industry body has reported.
One in ten farms has closed since June 2013, according to the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB).
North Yorkshire lost 89 farms, the highest total of any county, while Berkshire saw the highest rate of decline with a third of farms closing.
The board said it was concerned by the milk price paid to farmers.

An AHDB spokesman said some farmers were still paid about ten pence a litre less than the cost of production, despite protests by the National Farmers' Union last year.
The board said North Yorkshire had lost more than one in seven farms over the period, while Berkshire had lost seven of its 22 farms.
Yorkshire dairy farmer Jeremy Holmes said traditional dairy farming was "in a mess", with "far too much milk on the market".
He said he had survived by buying a vending machine to sell raw milk on his farm at Denby Dale near Huddersfield at £1 per litre, about three times the price paid by supermarkets.


Angus Hodge, a dairy farmer at Padworth in Berkshire, said: "The last couple of years have been a struggle with the milk price dropping but we've had to trim our costs, with eyes to the future when the milk price picks up."
Despite the closure of farms, the number of dairy cows in the UK increased by around 113,000 between 2013 and 2015 according to figures from the House of Commons library.
The report said the average herd size had risen as smaller producers left the industry.
During that period, milk prices fell by about 30%.
The report said UK milk production had increased by 8% between 2013 and 2014, mainly due to a higher yield per cow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36764592

So why do we import so much?

We actually are net exporters of milk!
UK DAIRY TRADE BALANCE

Published 5 February 16

Milk production was strong in 2013/14, leading to increased availability for dairy product production and exports. Exports increased across all products except cream, with powders showing the strongest growth. Meanwhile, butter and powder imports reduced and cheese imports remained flat.

		2004	2013	2014*
Raw Milk (a)	(MILLION LITRES)
	Production	13,894	13,404	14,481
	Imports	65	132	213
	Exports	434	473	545
	Domestic Use	13,524	13,063	14,149
Butter (b)	('000 TONNES)
	Production	122	145	141
	Imports	114	106	95
	Exports	35	45	51
	Domestic Use (c)	208	206	185
Cheese	('000 TONNES)
	Production	359	388	416
	Imports	335	468	469
	Exports	93	125	134
	Domestic Use	600	731	751
Cream (d)	('000 TONNES)
	Production	325	304	307
	Imports	15	22	30
	Exports	81	44	34
	Domestic Use	259	282	303
Condensed Milk (e)	('000 TONNES)
	Production	161	105	96
	Imports	25	48	38
	Exports	18	7	8
	Domestic Use	169	145	126
Milk Powders (f)	('000 TONNES)
	Production	168	110	168
	Imports	68	67	66
	Exports	186	88	125
	Domestic Use (c)	79	90	108

[PAWS]

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You can't seriously blame that totally on Brexit jeez the EU don't set up the regulators here that are not fit for purpose, they are the ones need a good sorting. Rules bent to suit, banks doing whatever they please, 40 yrs and the EU has stopped none of that even the reclaiming bank charges only enabled cause of EU hasn't got the banks to behave.

I didn't.

[enaid]

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Which? Brexit FAQs & roaming charges http://try.which.co.uk/brexit?utm_so...gnbrexit080716

Not that Which? have the answers on what's going to happen with existing EU roaming regs but it's an example of what the UK consumer will miss out on in terms of positive EU consumer protection rules in the future. Brexit sucks.

No, sorry paws it was from here lol x

[Crazy council]

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some of the doom and gloom is pulling back

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36771595

German industrial giant Siemens has said it will continue to invest in the UK, despite earlier warnings that a vote to leave the EU could affect its future activities in the country.

[PAWS]

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No worries Enaid-I do think the UK Government could have done more to protect our industry, NHS and our farmers. If they had acted as many other members of the EU had then all these sectors would be in a better state. including our Schools and policing. We were not too bad though -wait until you hear this. In the Rep of Ireland a friend of my sister called the police as they had just seen two chaps break into a neighbours house. The Guards (police) replied they had no transport and could only attend if the caller came and collected them!

[PAWS]

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some of the doom and gloom is pulling back

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36771595

German industrial giant Siemens has said it will continue to invest in the UK, despite earlier warnings that a vote to leave the EU could affect its future activities in the country.

All the companies are saying the same thing but with one condition;

But he called on Theresa May to clarify the UK's trade position as soon as possible to give business some certainty.

And he did, as all others have done pointed out that all may not be as it was.

The giant conglomerate also warned that its plans to export wind turbine blades from a new facility in Hull were being put on hold.
The company has insisted this investment will continue and will be used to meet local demand, but Mr Kaeser said new trade barriers could make it uneconomical to export the blades to Denmark and Germany.

Do you see what I mean? All the good news is conditional.
I don't want this to turn out bad because it will mean a nightmare for me personally and I am just hoping some sort of solution will come up .

[Crazy council]

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Some of that is just uncertainty over the Pound over the Euro value.

Germany can not really impose any tarrif on us because they rely on us for a reasonable part of there markets. ( but Germany are being reasonable with us )
If we brexit ( i doubt ) we will be exporting to the rest of the world, wind is a new teck, industry, the sort of thing we want to be in

It was a gamble to brexit, but it was a gamble for the Eu to send cameron back in Feb with next 2 nothing and then mocking Him.

The EU problem is, if the gamble works out for us, its likely to be bad for them. Just look at the EU banking systems over the past 2 weeks, take out German performance...

My biggest worry was the political situation that Cam?borris and (( F*** W**** Union Backed s*** C*** ) Labour) left us with

Although am a labor supporter, i would vote for May and the Conserveyourselfs, i think she has the gonads to guide us to the best outcomes available.

[PAWS]

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Some of that is just uncertainty over the Pound over the Euro value.

Germany can not really impose any tarrif on us because they rely on us for a reasonable part of there markets. ( but Germany are being reasonable with us )
If we brexit ( i doubt ) we will be exporting to the rest of the world, wind is a new teck, industry, the sort of thing we want to be in

It was a gamble to brexit, but it was a gamble for the Eu to send cameron back in Feb with next 2 nothing and then mocking Him.

The EU problem is, if the gamble works out for us, its likely to be bad for them. Just look at the EU banking systems over the past 2 weeks, take out German performance...

My biggest worry was the political situation that Cam?borris and (( F*** W**** Union Backed s*** C*** ) Labour) left us with

Although am a labor supporter, i would vote for May and the Conserveyourselfs, i think she has the gonads to guide us to the best outcomes available.

Good points well made but I am still nervous! Even if we only lose the European financial bases it would be a huge blow. I also cannot see us being able to negotiate decent trade deals. My OH agrees with you to a certain extent when it comes to Germany but his company has just had an investment offer pulled by German investors. He reckons the market in the UK for German stuff especially BMWs is so vital to their economy they will want to play ball but we will just have to wait and see. I just hope Ms. May knuckles down and decides something soon because this waiting is causing big problems and costing the economy.

[enaid]

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No worries Enaid-I do think the UK Government could have done more to protect our industry, NHS and our farmers. If they had acted as many other members of the EU had then all these sectors would be in a better state. including our Schools and policing. We were not too bad though -wait until you hear this. In the Rep of Ireland a friend of my sister called the police as they had just seen two chaps break into a neighbours house. The Guards (police) replied they had no transport and could only attend if the caller came and collected them!

Bloody ell that's bad what a shame. Been to Dublin a few times and Dogheda once to the races nearby, did speak to all kinds of people there as you will know they are very chatty folk. This was 2 years ago and most I spoke to there were unhappy, mostly about unemployment, so all the young ones were leaving.
Went to Cobh last year as part of a UK cruise and going again Dec this year that is a truly lovely place.
My point being the Republic isn't thriving now in the EU and it was once I believe (don't know for sure ) was very lucrative.