Re: OFT Test Case on Bank Charges update - Supreme Court Judgment coming soon !
Just wanted to pick Budgie's brains on his interpretation of this section of the House of Lords appeal hearing transcripts that deal with the issue of a reference to the ECJ.
From my perspective it seems to support my view that the case can only be referred to Europe on the courts' own initiative.
Either way it seems pretty clear that neither party is keen on it as it would take for ever and a day to happen.
LORD PHILLIPS: Thank you. There is just one point. You are seeking to persuade us to overturn judgments at first instance and in the Court of Appeal.
MR SUMPTION: Yes, for different reasons.
LORD PHILLIPS: For different reasons. Is that something we can do, or is it not something that we ought to refer to the European court?
MR SUMPTION: The position as under the Treaty, article 2(4), is that your Lordships and my Lady are obliged to refer, if it is necessary to do so, in order to decide the case. That has been the subject of a certain amount of overt judicial refinements at ECJ level, which is the origin of the Acte Clair principle and a certain amount of pragmatic and unadmitted refinement by successive courts, one example of which is the decision of the House in First National which it was not necessary to refer.
The practical problem about a referral which is why, as it is delicately put in the OFT's case, no party has shown a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for it, is the delay involved. It is suggested that this might get priority in the OFT's printed case. I have to say that my experience of these matters, which I have compared with that of others who have a great deal more experience of them, is that there is, frankly, no prospect of getting priority on this, but that is the practical reason, it is not a matter which should influence your Lordships.
It is fair to say that this is a slightly unusual situation, first of all, because the major questions actually boil down to -- one of the main questions is the analysis of the particular banking setup and these contract terms and how they operate, which, of course, is not itself a question of EC law.
The other is that, slightly unusually among consumer protection directives, this is a directive which assigns the primary enforcement role to national competitive authorities. That is provided for in the directive itself, and it is the reason why the OFT has given specific responsibility for this in the regulations giving effect to the directive.
The other factor is that -- actually, a very large proportion of the national -- of the member states have, in fact, not directly transposed the directive into their own laws, generally as in the case of Spain and the Netherlands, because they have elected to have a higher standard than the minimal one prescribed, or else, in the case of Germany, because they think their existing laws sufficiently cover the matter. So one is dealing with a situation in which the view of a national court is likely to be relatively more important than is ordinarily the case, but, having made all of those points, ultimately the question for the Committee is whether you consider that it is necessary to do so in order to decide the case. The mere fact that you would be overruling the different reasons given by the judge and the Court of Appeal is not a reason for doing it. After all, in First National, the court overruled the Court of Appeal and arrived at its own conclusions for reasons that were somewhat different from those of Mr Justice Evans-Lombe.
If I may make one final point on that, which the Committee will quite rightly accuse me of trying to have my cake and eating it at the same time, it is this: there is, I would suggest, a world of difference between a decision that there is to be added to an EC directive a really rather considerable superstructure of additional regulation dependent on refinements that are not in the text, and simply saying that the directive means what it says, no more and no less. If your Lordships and my Lady take the latter view, the case for a reference is very much weaker than it is if you take the same view as the Court of Appeal and consider that there has to be imported into this directive an additional dimension of regulation.
Just wanted to pick Budgie's brains on his interpretation of this section of the House of Lords appeal hearing transcripts that deal with the issue of a reference to the ECJ.
From my perspective it seems to support my view that the case can only be referred to Europe on the courts' own initiative.
Either way it seems pretty clear that neither party is keen on it as it would take for ever and a day to happen.
LORD PHILLIPS: Thank you. There is just one point. You are seeking to persuade us to overturn judgments at first instance and in the Court of Appeal.
MR SUMPTION: Yes, for different reasons.
LORD PHILLIPS: For different reasons. Is that something we can do, or is it not something that we ought to refer to the European court?
MR SUMPTION: The position as under the Treaty, article 2(4), is that your Lordships and my Lady are obliged to refer, if it is necessary to do so, in order to decide the case. That has been the subject of a certain amount of overt judicial refinements at ECJ level, which is the origin of the Acte Clair principle and a certain amount of pragmatic and unadmitted refinement by successive courts, one example of which is the decision of the House in First National which it was not necessary to refer.
The practical problem about a referral which is why, as it is delicately put in the OFT's case, no party has shown a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for it, is the delay involved. It is suggested that this might get priority in the OFT's printed case. I have to say that my experience of these matters, which I have compared with that of others who have a great deal more experience of them, is that there is, frankly, no prospect of getting priority on this, but that is the practical reason, it is not a matter which should influence your Lordships.
It is fair to say that this is a slightly unusual situation, first of all, because the major questions actually boil down to -- one of the main questions is the analysis of the particular banking setup and these contract terms and how they operate, which, of course, is not itself a question of EC law.
The other is that, slightly unusually among consumer protection directives, this is a directive which assigns the primary enforcement role to national competitive authorities. That is provided for in the directive itself, and it is the reason why the OFT has given specific responsibility for this in the regulations giving effect to the directive.
The other factor is that -- actually, a very large proportion of the national -- of the member states have, in fact, not directly transposed the directive into their own laws, generally as in the case of Spain and the Netherlands, because they have elected to have a higher standard than the minimal one prescribed, or else, in the case of Germany, because they think their existing laws sufficiently cover the matter. So one is dealing with a situation in which the view of a national court is likely to be relatively more important than is ordinarily the case, but, having made all of those points, ultimately the question for the Committee is whether you consider that it is necessary to do so in order to decide the case. The mere fact that you would be overruling the different reasons given by the judge and the Court of Appeal is not a reason for doing it. After all, in First National, the court overruled the Court of Appeal and arrived at its own conclusions for reasons that were somewhat different from those of Mr Justice Evans-Lombe.
If I may make one final point on that, which the Committee will quite rightly accuse me of trying to have my cake and eating it at the same time, it is this: there is, I would suggest, a world of difference between a decision that there is to be added to an EC directive a really rather considerable superstructure of additional regulation dependent on refinements that are not in the text, and simply saying that the directive means what it says, no more and no less. If your Lordships and my Lady take the latter view, the case for a reference is very much weaker than it is if you take the same view as the Court of Appeal and consider that there has to be imported into this directive an additional dimension of regulation.
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