what has europe done for us debate

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Do you honestly think we are going to have a referendum, do you really think any political party will allow it even if promised

Remember the supposed referendum on entering the Euro Currency, it went on for years the promises, and nothing happened

Politicians may do the talk, but not the walk, when has a politician ever told the truth and kept an election promise

At the time of that debate I would have voted YES on joining the Euro but we know that having one currency and more importantly being dictated by the European Central bank about financial policy can have a disastrous effect(Greece being the obvious one).
However, if no party offers a referendum on EU membership then the ridiculous half truths and silly debates based on not much will continue. Either we want to be IN or OUT and I want OUT.

[enquirer]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Who cares if we actually vote NO in any referendum on membership of the EU?

The result of the 1975 referendum was supposedly a marginal 'Yes'. I have never had the slightest doubt that this was a lie.

[MIKE770]

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we went in, we lost all commonwealth trade, we left them to find other markets, meat prices escallated etc, they found local area market, the cost of fuel and shipping to us would be of no benifit to us now, so what would we be left with, higher prices no doubt. wake up cameroooonn and cronies,get real.

[enquirer]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Wake up cameroooonn and cronies,get real.

I think you will find that Cameron and the rest of his ghastly crew are wide awake. They are bought and paid for, so know perfectly well what they are doing.

[trampjuice]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

These are just facts. Rents and profits are sky high, wages the lowest in history as part of all the economic activity that takes place in the economy. http://www.tuc.org.uk/tucfiles/466.pdf. Mass immigration acts to benefit big corporate businesses by lowering the share of productivity that goes to ordinary workers own efforts. And the EU totally controls it. Our politics is just a game of hoodwinking the public and lying - because the EU (i.e. big business without democracy or accountability) controls such major areas of essential policy.
The EUs AIM is to UNDERMINE NATIONAL HOMOGENEITY VIA MASS IMMIGRATION WHATEVER THE PEOPLE OF A NATION SAYS.
The EU should "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states, the UN's special representative for migration has said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395
It is an evil undemocratic unaccountable organization which acts on behalf of corporate interests.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Quite a speech trampjuice

Besides your own unsubstantiated subjective reasoning

Care to give us some official facts and figures to support your own personal assumption, not just hearsay please

[trampjuice]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Just look at the links. They contain the facts which back up what I say. The only 'controversy' is that I link a unlimited supply of workers to lower wages as part of GDP. Supply and Demand sets price.

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

These are just facts. Rents and profits are sky high, wages the lowest in history as part of all the economic activity that takes place in the economy. http://www.tuc.org.uk/tucfiles/466.pdf. Mass immigration acts to benefit big corporate businesses by lowering the share of productivity that goes to ordinary workers own efforts. And the EU totally controls it. Our politics is just a game of hoodwinking the public and lying - because the EU (i.e. big business without democracy or accountability) controls such major areas of essential policy.
The TUC report in the introduction bottom of page 5 and top of page 6 suggests that high income jobs have got less and that low income jobs have increased partially as a result of technological advances.

The EUs AIM is to UNDERMINE NATIONAL HOMOGENEITY VIA MASS IMMIGRATION WHATEVER THE PEOPLE OF A NATION SAYS.
The EU should "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states, the UN's special representative for migration has said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395

Peter Sutherland was talking about MIGRATION and about the fact that some countries will need it if they are to be prosperous.
It is an evil undemocratic unaccountable organization which acts on behalf of corporate interests.

I don't disagree with you that in certain sectors wages have dropped as a result of EU migration to the UK but I am not sure that I agree entirely with the facts that you are presenting from the links you have given.
It's democratic to a degree(we vote in MEP elections) but I do agree with you on the unaccountability of it.

[enquirer]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

It is an evil undemocratic unaccountable organization which acts on behalf of corporate interests.

The underlined part is certainly true. MEP's actually have no power to speak of, although the public are given to believe that they do. Legislative power actually lies with unelected bureaucrats.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

The ultimate powers are with the council of ministers, which britain sits on

[enquirer]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

The ultimate powers are with the council of ministers, which britain sits on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...ive_initiative

[enquirer]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

LETS GET OUT OF THIS LITTLE ENGLANDER MENTALITY ...

Notice how the reader is either unreservedly 'for' or a never-to-be sufficiently-despised 'little Englander'. There is no option to be pro-Europe but against the EU.

This trick is often used by politicians to manipulate debate into pre-arranged channels.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Some facts and figures:

• Roughly half of UK exports go to the EU
• Every UK household "earns" between £1,500 and £3,500 per annum thanks to the Single Market (SM)
• 33,000 people work for the European Commission, compared to 82,000 who work for UK Revenue and Customs
• Only 6.8% of UK primary legislation and 14.1% of secondary legislation have anything to do with implementing EU obligations - not EU diktats - agreed to, approved of and signed off by UK officials

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Some facts and figures:

• Roughly half of UK exports go to the EU
• Every UK household "earns" between £1,500 and £3,500 per annum thanks to the Single Market (SM)
• 33,000 people work for the European Commission, compared to 82,000 who work for UK Revenue and Customs
• Only 6.8% of UK primary legislation and 14.1% of secondary legislation have anything to do with implementing EU obligations - not EU diktats - agreed to, approved of and signed off by UK officials

You have just changed the parameters of the debate as I am sure you have quoted 57% as the figure and not "nearly half".
Can we have the list of primary and secondary legislation please?

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate



TO BE HONEST

I located those figures above from BBC EUROPE