what has europe done for us debate

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Please, more negative OR POSITIVE comments on remaining in the EU

[enaid]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

I am still awaiting your view on the positives lol

and please don't say LEGISLATION say something down to earth that does us good

[leclerc]

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The EU and ECHR are joined at the hip, TREATIES state you cant have one without the other, the EEC was 1951 by the way

I forgot to add you cannot be in the EU without being signed up to the ECHR but you can be a member of the ECHR without being a member of the EU.

27 members for the EU
47 Members for the ECHR

see how I can do the maths

[FORCEOFONE]

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:tinysmile_kiss_t4:

Point taken

I will do some digging but i believe you have to be in both the EU and ECHR

You just cannot opt out of one, and not the other (treaty obligations)

Are you saying we opt out of the EU and have our own Bill of Rights??

I forgot, we do, Uncodified 1689

[MissFM]

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And any nation or organization is not the same

it is endemic

Doesn't make it right.

The level of greed, dishonesty, waste and downright corruption that has now become "endemic" in the ever-increasing tiers of our government would have been unthinkable (or at least unacceptable) before our membership of the EU.

[leclerc]

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:tinysmile_kiss_t4:

Point taken

I will do some digging but i believe you have to be in both the EU and ECHR

You just cannot opt out of one, and not the other (treaty obligations)

Are you saying we opt out of the EU and have our own Bill of Rights??

I forgot, we do, Uncodified 1689

Ok, to clarify, when Teresa May spoke of opting out of the ECHR Nick Farage of UKIP stated about the treaty obligation under the EU that if you opt out of the ECHR then you are out of the EU(that is correct btw).

However, there are 47 nations within the ECHR and not all of them are full members of the EU so you do not have to be a member of the EU to be a member of the ECHR.

Does that make sense?

[FORCEOFONE]

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Total sense

A majority of countries that subscribe to the ECHR are not even in Europe

[MissFM]

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Please, more negative OR POSITIVE comments on remaining in the EU

http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...cameron+and+EU

There are a few pro-EU posts on this thread F1

[MIKE770]

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Please people, lets have an educated debate. I myself am pro-Europe, i am looking at the pros and cons of membership. If the national media will not give us an honest debate with both sides putting the argument across, then we shall do it ourselves.


WHAT HAS EUROPE DONE FOR US>>

When looking at this question, i cant help thinking of the Monty python sketch: "What did the Romans ever do for us?"

57% of or trade is done through Europe, one in ten of our jobs are linked to Europe.

We were known as the dirty man of Europe with turds floating on our beaches, outdated power stations, control on dangerous chemicals ( COSHH) working time directive, minimum wage, sex discrimination, equal pay, smoke free work place, redundancy and TUPE protection, Employment Rights Act, Environmental protection, funding for areas of industrial decline, annual holiday entitlement, consumer protection in anything we purchase in a retail outlet,single market, student exchange, protection of intellectual property, open borders,

The list goes on and on but the number one thing Europe has brought us is:

PEACE

LETS GET OUT OF THIS LITTLE ENGLANDER MENTALITY BEFORE WE GIVE IT ALL UP FOR A SHORT

TERM POPULARITY STAKES

HERE HERE, Tory Reterick when they are in power, look on the back of it and see what they are covering up, God The Lepard never changes.

[MIKE770]

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And because of that point, it means that we lack any faith in that institution since it does not come up to the high standards that all people should expect of an institution.

Our Government?

[MissFM]

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For those that are confused over the whole Euro crisis here it is in layman’s terms:

> It is a slow day in a little Greek Village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit.
> On this particular day, a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.
> The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
> The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer.
> The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel.
> The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna.
> The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit.
> The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note.
> The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything.
> At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.
> No one produced anything.
> No one earned anything, however, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.
> That is how the bailout package works :crazy:

[evilhamster]

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PEACE
now lets see is it really peacefull in spain, portugal and greece at the moment with the protests against economic hardship brought about by Europe

open borders are good for us how they let the scroungers form Europe come in to claim benefits

57% of or trade is done through Europe, one in ten of our jobs are linked to Europe.

i guess you never heard of the British commonwealth which Europe stops us doing as much trade with as we could by setting limits
a lot of jobs used to be linked to the commonwealth
India one of the few economies that is still growing is part of the commonwealth

funding for areas of industrial decline if we had never left the commonwealth and joined Europe we wouldn't have so many areas of industrial decline

single market see commonwealth

We were known as the dirty man of Europe with turds floating on our beaches back then most of France still had open sewers running down the side of the streets

Employment Rights Act, minimum wage covered by the British bill of rights from 1689 which is the same document that the European charter of human rights (which is what the EHCR uses ) is based on so we have given all these benefits to Europe not been given them by Europe

[gravytrain]

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Well in my field it has done quite a bit of good. The " harmonization" of the European and UK consumer and banking laws has closed a number of loopholes particularly in the credit and distance selling areas, it has improved pre contractual transparency in bargains, among many other things.

[gravytrain]

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For those that are confused over the whole Euro crisis here it is in layman’s terms:

> It is a slow day in a little Greek Village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit.
> On this particular day, a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.
> The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
> The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer.
> The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel.
> The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna.
> The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit.
> The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note.
> The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything.
> At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.
> No one produced anything.
> No one earned anything, however, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.
> That is how the bailout package works :crazy:

Yes give a man a fish and he will feed himself for a day, but teach him to fish and he will start a mind numbing tv show on Channel Five.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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Personal opinion only, Europe have given us a load of laws (lorries restricted to 56mph for example) and then said, don't think we shall bother with that, but you lot keep it.

They tell us where to spend our money and on what on, and how to punish our wrong doers.. just out of interest, how can The Hauge know about something that happened in Grimsby (for want of a place)?

For the illegals its a stepping stone to the UK.

Sooner we realise we are a country the better.. let Europe deal with Europe and lets make it that you can only stay here if you have a trade/skill we need and a basic knowledge of the English Langauge