what has europe done for us debate

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

it was European legislation that made section 44 of the anti terrorism act unlawful, same as detention without trial

it watches over governments and unjust legislation

[gravytrain]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Still need a good reason to be in Europe, just one will do lol

Lots of lovely horse-meat ?

[enaid]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

peace

Well yes we have that, unlucky for us, it be a long time before most of us will ever have peace of mind again.

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Forceforone, can I have a link to where you got that figure of 57% trade as UKIP are stating it's 40%?

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

it was European legislation that made section 44 of the anti terrorism act unlawful, same as detention without trial

it watches over governments and unjust legislation

Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear....... why are you NOT differentiating the European Court of Human Rights(which Winston Churchill was one of the early founders and one in which we have been a signature to since its inception in 1950) with the European Union.
I'm sorry but I am pro get out of the EU not anti ECHR.........

[enaid]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

it was European legislation that made section 44 of the anti terrorism act unlawful, same as detention without trial

it watches over governments and unjust legislation

Can't comment only to say there are more than a few people who are still among us who should not be, it is all because of the EU they can not be successfully removed and who cost US not the EU a fortune to keep.

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

European Union

European Court of Human Rights

You cannot be in the EU if you are not in the ECHR but you can be out of the EU and still be in the ECHR.

European Court of Human Rights is NOT the European Union and furthermore, I would add the EU budget has never been approved. There is a lack of transparency in where the money we send to the EU is spent. If there was better transparency then maybe we might have a better understanding of the EU.

[enquirer]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

The list goes on and on but the number one thing Europe has brought us is: PEACE

"... and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace".
Tacitus.

[enquirer]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

... the number one thing Europe has brought us is ...

An organisation so spectacularly corrupt that it's own auditors refuse to sign its accounts.

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

An organisation so spectacularly corrupt that it's own auditors refuse to sign its accounts.

And because of that point, it means that we lack any faith in that institution since it does not come up to the high standards that all people should expect of an institution.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Forceforone, can I have a link to where you got that figure of 57% trade as UKIP are stating it's 40%?

office of national statistics

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

office of national statistics

Stop making me do the work purlease!!!!

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

An organisation so spectacularly corrupt that it's own auditors refuse to sign its accounts.

And any nation or organization is not the same

it is endemic

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear....... why are you NOT differentiating the European Court of Human Rights(which Winston Churchill was one of the early founders and one in which we have been a signature to since its inception in 1950) with the European Union.
I'm sorry but I am pro get out of the EU not anti ECHR.........

The EU and ECHR are joined at the hip, TREATIES state you cant have one without the other, the EEC was 1951 by the way

[leclerc]

Re: what has europe done for us debate

The EU and ECHR are joined at the hip, TREATIES state you cant have one without the other, the EEC was 1951 by the way

EEC was actually 1957 with the Treaty of Rome.....

ECHR came into effect in 1953.

Let's not try and rewrite history. UK were a founder member of the ECHR yet only went into the EEC as it was at the time in 1973.7