Ernest Wilson

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Our dispute with Ernest Wilson is going to court. Basically, EW sell only advertising and do not enter into any form of sales negotiations. Anyone want to support this argument?

On their blogspot site they claim to have sold around 250 businesses each year but how much involvement they have in the process isn't clear. Either way it's a minority of the 750 or so businesses they advertise on their website or the 2,000 they claim to have on their books.

There are some unhappy buyers too - here's another review from allagents:

I'm not going to spend two hours writing up all of my experiences of Ernest Wilson and Co.
To summarise, they lied to me. I eventually had to go to law to compel return of my deposit on a property they had flagrantly misrepresented.
Do NOT deal with these scam artists.
For further verification, put Ernest Wilson NFOPP into Google and find some of the disciplinary proceedings and punishments which have been issued against their staff for professional misconduct.
What could Ernest Wilson do to change your mind??

“Acted in an honest, honourable manner. After someone had explained to them what these terms mean.”

[EW Client]

Re: Ernest Wilson

A friend has kindly shared a copy of an old review from the web (sorry about the image quality). Looks like the history of disputes between Ernest Wilson and their clients goes back a few years at least.

[Midlands bloke]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Hi

I hope you can help. My father has been an unfortunate victim of a business transfer agent. My father arranged a for a business transfer agent to visit him after receiving a mail shot and was verbally told by the salesman (and company owner Robert Williamson) the total price should they not sell his business would be £600. He was also advised by Robert the shop would be guaranteed to be sold. My father didn't look at the contract until a few days later and realised the fees advised were lies, he would have to pay £600 + approx £100+ vat per month for the 6 month contract which would roughly equate to £1600 at the end of the 6 months. He then decided he wanted to cancel, he called robert 4 days later but was told he cannot cancel. In the contract it states it is for a minimum of 6 months during which time you will not be able to cancel the contract (signed on 10th sept 2014) and there is no mention of a cooling off period. Where does my father stand in all this? Does the written contract supersede any verbal commitments given by the sales rep? The company in question is the notorious Ernest Wilson of Leeds.

I would appreciate any advice you could give

[MalcolmD]

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Hi

I hope you can help. My father has been an unfortunate victim of a business transfer agent. My father arranged a for a business transfer agent to visit him after receiving a mail shot and was verbally told by the salesman (and company owner Robert Williamson) the total price should they not sell his business would be £600. He was also advised by Robert the shop would be guaranteed to be sold. My father didn't look at the contract until a few days later and realised the fees advised were lies, he would have to pay £600 + approx £100+ vat per month for the 6 month contract which would roughly equate to £1600 at the end of the 6 months. He then decided he wanted to cancel, he called robert 4 days later but was told he cannot cancel. In the contract it states it is for a minimum of 6 months during which time you will not be able to cancel the contract (signed on 10th sept 2014) and there is no mention of a cooling off period. Where does my father stand in all this? Does the written contract supersede any verbal commitments given by the sales rep? The company in question is the notorious Ernest Wilson of Leeds.

I would appreciate any advice you could give

Hi ,
First of all the statement of Robert Williamson , who in my opinion a con man, is totally wrong. Any contract can be cancelled within 14 days.. that's UK and EU law.

Also, the best form of defence is attack, the next step is to contact the local police fraud squad and report the activities. I will support you on this. Ernest Wilson has cheated 100's of independent traders and I have the goal to have EW brought to justice. I refused to pay so am going first to the small claims court but ultimately I want to get the money back from EW .. many good people have been driven into serious debt because of them. I am writing to the courts with a FOI to get to know exactly how many people have they taken to court over the last 3 years.

If ALL of us get a reference number from the fraud squad then we stand a chance of not only having invoices revoked.. IMPORTANT revoke any invoice from EW because they are fraudulent.; but we can claim for expenses.

[Amethyst]

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Just on this bit

Any contract can be cancelled within 14 days.. that's UK and EU law.

When was the contract entered into and was it entered into at home/place of work rather than at Ernest Wilson's branch?

It would be classed as a business to business contract so the consumer contract regulations might not apply.

[MalcolmD]

Re: Ernest Wilson

Hi ,
First of all the statement of Robert Williamson , who in my opinion a con man, is totally wrong. Any contract can be cancelled within 14 days.. that's UK and EU law.

Also, the best form of defence is attack, the next step is to contact the local police fraud squad and report the activities. I will support you on this. Ernest Wilson has cheated 100's of independent traders and I have the goal to have EW brought to justice. I refused to pay so am going first to the small claims court but ultimately I want to get the money back from EW .. many good people have been driven into serious debt because of them. I am writing to the courts with a FOI to get to know exactly how many people have they taken to court over the last 3 years.

If ALL of us get a reference number from the fraud squad then we stand a chance of not only having invoices revoked.. IMPORTANT revoke any invoice from EW because they are fraudulent.; but we can claim for expenses.

The EU law is here is more clear. 14 days.The home office will back that There are some MP's standing up for this case. There is 100% proof now that EW are fraudulent.

[MalcolmD]

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The EU law is here is more clear. 14 days.The home office will back that There are some MP's standing up for this case. There is 100% proof now that EW are fraudulent.

Contact fraud squad

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/BRT

[Midlands bloke]

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Hi all

The contract was signed at my fathers business and there is no mention of a cooling off period in the contract. The contract States this shall be for a minimum of 6 months during which time you will (following in bold text) not be able to cancel the contract. Should there be info regarding cancellation within the 14 days be stipulated also? And my father has no evidence to show he attempt to cancel apart from the call he made to Roberts mobile number he gave to my father.

[Midlands bloke]

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Here's a picture of the cancelation info/terms

[Amethyst]

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just turning it up the right way xx

[Amethyst]

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The EU law is here is more clear. 14 days.The home office will back that There are some MP's standing up for this case. There is 100% proof now that EW are fraudulent.

Obviously we'll need you to point us to the evidence to back up that assertion. xx

[Midlands bloke]

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I forgot to mention with the interim summary of charges they sent (as requested by myself) it gives dates and names of the newspapers where the adverts were placed. I'm thinking of ordering back copies if possible to check if actually true.

[EW Client]

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I forgot to mention with the interim summary of charges they sent (as requested by myself) it gives dates and names of the newspapers where the adverts were placed. I'm thinking of ordering back copies if possible to check if actually true.

Ernest Wilson's ads tend to be 3-4 lines per business, usually without a pic and often among a page of many other ads (over 100 in some newspapers). It's very doubtful they cost Ernest Wilson anywhere near the £50 per ad they charge. Likewise their catalogue entries, £40 for a few lines of text: http://www.ernest-wilson.co.uk/uploads/E-catalogue.pdf

Another interesting claim from Ernest Wilson's literature is: "Many properties and businesses never reach our website or catalogue as they are purchased by waiting clients."

[EW Client]

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Also, the best form of defence is attack, the next step is to contact the local police fraud squad and report the activities.

MalcolmD, what was the response from the police on this?

[Midlands bloke]

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Iv got in touch with http://www.cebta.org.uk who might be able to help. I would suggest those in a similar conundrum do likewise to get help and advice.