That referendum ...

[Amethyst]

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The French foreign minister has said that they will not police the channel tunnel and will not stop the migrants at calais.

Where is the actual border - I mean from where/what point can immigrants claim asylum in the UK as opposed to in France ?

Just read this from back in March

What happens if the UK leaves the EU?

Security in Calais has become an argument between opposing campaigns ahead of the UK's referendum on EU membership, which will be held on 23 June.

French economy minister Emmanuel Macron told the Financial Times the country could end the so-called Le Touquet agreement - which lets UK border guards check passports on the French side of the border - if Britain left the EU.

However, Leave campaigners dismissed the comments as "scaremongering".

It comes after another row, which followed comments from Mr Cameron that migrant camps like the "Jungle" in Calais could move to England if the UK left the EU.

UKIP said the PM's claim was "based on fear, negativity and falsehood". French government said it had "no plans" to change the agreement .

Hasn't happened yet though and will all be negotiated around but I'm interested to know what the actual facts are around it.

[Amethyst]

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https://waitingfortax.com/2016/06/24...-i-mean-maybe/

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks xx

The referendum result creates a democratic imperative for the UK to depart but, as the great legal blogger David Allen Green has set out here, it doesn’t create a legal one. The legal one follows not from the referendum result but from our decision to trigger the exit procedure in Article 50 (which I turn to below). Some have mooted that our Parliament could simply ignore the referendum result. Although that may be right in legal theory I don’t, myself, consider it a practical likelihood. But, what democracy has commanded shall be done it can also command to be undone. Or, to put the matter less grandly, a second vote, this time for Remain, would undo the democratic imperative of the first.

So I see a refreshed democratic mandate as key.

How might such a thing be delivered?

I can see two routes.

First, were we to have an early General Election fought by one party on an explicit Remain platform and were that party to prevail it would, I think, amount to a ‘refreshed democratic mandate’. The electorate would have spoken such that the result of the Referendum would be superseded.

Second, even without such a General Election, Parliament might decide that circumstances had changed sufficiently, as in Ireland, to put the proposition to the electorate again.

I should be a politician lol

If the new PM comes in and calls a General Election - and the campaign is run on 'stay in the eu' issues - could that potentially give people/gov't a backtrack? ( just wondering if that's the 'plan')

(and not suggesting that the EUref result should be ignored by any means - it is early days - I'm just pondering)

[PAWS]

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I cannot see it working without some group calling foul. No matter how bad things get you will still have a hard core that will scream blue murder if it is not pushed through and after all it was a fair and legal referendum. Anyone who admits to being misled by their policies is really admitting to being a bit ….well….
There are a lot of people out there who want the shutters to come down NOW and a lot of fervour. There is also a lot of anger and once the economic consequences bite things could get very unpleasant and we could lose a few plate glass windows. Some of the Brexit supporters have quite extreme views and are already complaining about waiting 2years for the final clank. Even years after we leave the hard core will say all our issues are still down to a hangover from our EU days!

[Amethyst]

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It will be very interesting to see what happens, the votes done with, the country chose out, so we just have to make the best of it and try to trust those we voted to represent us to do the best they can. It was always going to be crap at the beginning, it'll get better then worse again, then better in the end, hopefully... it's always been a case of it taking a good couple years to actually get out of the EU so breaking windows and being an arse really isn't going to get anyone anywhere they want to go.

[Celestine]

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For the last 20 years the consumers and small businesses of the UK have been pummelled by our banks. 30% of their profit is made from charges which are largely taken from the poorest 20% of customers in the form of bank charges.
The problem is so bad that the OFT tried to control this profiteering in 2007 with a test case but they lost at Supreme Court stage because of legal technicalities and a clear reluctance from our Supreme Justices to trouble the fragile economy with a 10 billion pound refund to all the consumers who have been charged unfairly.
In 2014, working with genius barrister Tom Brennan, we won the first ever bank charges case in a UK court USING EUROPEAN CASE LAW! We won on all points: Oliver Foster-Burnell v Lloyds.
That case was won in the county court so did not bind the rest of the UK courts. We needed a High Court + result. Over the last few months, our legal team has regrouped and we are planning a High Court action using 3 vital and recent pieces of European case law to prove once and for all that these charges are unfair.This case was to be heard in the High Court and its result could bind all UK courts.
Now that is in grave doubt.
For those of you who mock the European Courts for ridiculous indulgences like insisting prisoners have books or that asylum seekers are not returned to countries to be tortured and killed, for those of you who think Britain First......how do you feel about our banks? How do you feel about the fact that successive governments have failed to grip our banking culture. We needed the support of Europe to finally 'take back control of our banks'.
The European Court may seem far removed from us but in someways, that is actually a good thing. When you read European case law regularly, you see that these Judges each representing their countries are unable to 'gang together' to deliver corporate friendly results. There is no old boys network, there is pure unadulterated analysis of consumer contracts to see if they really are fair and in many cases the European Court makes startlingly sensible and pragmatic decisions on consumer contracts.
Thanks for taking away my weapons to fight unfairness in banking.

[EXC]

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So you want to deny us our democracy?

Is letting the 'people' decide democracy? It sounds like socialism to me.

Democracy is about electing governments but no UK government has come out in favour of leaving the EU since we joined. We could have elected UKIP who were cleary in favour of leaving but we didn't.

Yet somehow we've been able to ignore our democratically elected governments and placed what is unquestionably a massively complicated decision with almost unfathomable knock on effects in the hands of the likes of Mrs Miggins at number 92.

[wales01man]

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Our Democratic government gave the people the chance to vote we did and now the result is ib.
Maybe if every promise in the election manifesto was actioned we would have a Population less critical of Politicians.
The vote has been declared why do some expect another what if that happens and the leave majority is higher do we keep going?

[enaid]

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Well after being brainwashed by Mrs Miggins at 92 I can only apologise for doing what I think is right.
Being on her level seems to infer I am brain dead too.
I will say no one more than I commend all that has gone into fairness fights for the consumer.
It may be that asof yet the only way to sort the banks is throughly eu laws but I for one am angry and sad to prevent being treated unfairly and constantly ripped off has to go to those lengths both in time and money to be put right.The banks got slapped wrists the first time but to be honest they just did it again and now seems the only way yet again is to go with laws made elsewhere.To me that in itself is what is wrong. Charges, PPI have all been a drop in the ocean regards redress from the banks even those that behaved poorly have been put back in place at the tax payers expense. You seem to think I blame the eu for all that is wrong in the country I was born and bred, that is not true. I do believe being tied in so many ways to something so big and possibly getting bigger is also wrong as in my eyes thereis so much wrong with the eu too. So sorry you feel that nothing can now be done to put the banks and other institutions that can and do prey on us all, but knowing better and knowing LB am sure other ways will be found even thouvh right now you feel all is lost.

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[Fred]

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Oh dear what have we done.............

40 years of building relationships with our neighbours now under threat along with the losses that brings for the layman. Separatism the new way forward.........more like backwards to me not to mention how much this will stir up in other member states.

As for Sturgeon, she has no chance, no currency & no bank, leave us & then join the EU............dream on.

Next week the lesser EU will decide how to deal with us, without our input, Ah well, the Isle of UK will be ok, we think.

[EXC]

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Well after being brainwashed by Mrs Miggins at 92 I can only apologise for doing what I think is right.
Being on her level seems to infer I am brain dead too.

I'm just as much Mr Miggins myself. We're not brain dead but we simply didn't possess enough information and factual knowledge to make anything close to an informed decision.

[Amethyst]

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Just for reading and interest - completely unbiased.

The Commons Library and Lords Library has produced impartial analysis of the UK’s referendum for remaining in or leaving the European Union.

impartial and informative briefings are there to help you understand the key issues and decisions that now have to be taken.


These include the following briefing papers:

• Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011
• Tax after the EU referendum
• Pensions after the EU referendum
• Financial services after the referendum
• EU Referendum: the process of leaving the EU
• EU referendum: UK proposals, legal impact of an exit and alternatives to membership
• EU referendum: impact of an EU exit in key UK policy areas
• Implications of the referendum on EU membership for the UK's role in the world

A fuller analysis of issues in a wide range of areas can be found in a previous Library Note CBP-7213 EU referendum: impact of an EU exit in key UK policy areas (February 2016).

[enaid]

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I'm just as much Mr Miggins myself. We're not brain dead but we simply didn't possess enough information and factual knowledge to make anything close to an informed decision.

Because there simply isn't that information to give, no one knows what's going to happen. I do think though that whatever is about to happen is in our control and for all of us to make it work and make things better especially for those who need help getting by from day to day.The eu has done nothing for Greece, Italy and Spain except extend their loans, unemployment is massive and they are being dragged into the dark ages re living standards.Who knows who's next to be treated this way. Thats my play on things be it right or wrong and that is basically why I voted out.

Ps the world's our oyster now reflect on that x

[des8]

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Chewing over what was said, not said, should have been said, was spun etc etc isn't really getting us anywhere.
As an oldie who voted to stay (against the trend for my age group) all I can say now is "grasp the nettle, get on with it and make the most of the opportunities open to us"
Forget about the lack of information, or even misinformation fed to us from both sides: where do we go from here?

[MIKE770]

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Nobody knows what is going to happen or could they say what would happen, only time will tell and how situations at the time are handled! do not forget they will waste so much time arguing about the past the future will pass them by if they are not careful,!

[Amethyst]

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More factual info from the Commons Library https://t.co/0rDjaY8MwK ( PDF )