The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

[nemesis45]

Received the pamphlet today a page opposite a " plundered " photograph has the heading

What Happens If We Leave.
No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market
***Without having to:***

* Follow EU Rules over which they have no real say.

*pay into the EU

*accept EU Citizens living & working in their country.

As I see it we have none of those benefits!

[CYNthesys]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

Received mine yesterday,
Friend also received his yesterday, but he is sending his back return to sender LOL

[nemesis45]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

Received mine yesterday,
Friend also received his yesterday, but he is sending his back return to sender LOL

Smart Move, the picture of Harwich in the nonsense was pinched from a local photographer not a happy bunny !!

[Snoopy1948]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

Have yet to receive mine ( didn't I hear some refusal to deliver by some local posties? ).

My question is has provision been made, in a similar way, on behalf of and to support the 'Leave' campaign?

While I may thank MR Cameron for giving us this chance to have our say, it should remain down to the individual choice of each citizen who may, or may not, have a jot of self conviction here and may simply vote, if at all, on the feeling in his gut at the time.

Whatever the outcome, this is a momentous decision for the country as a whole and will affect every citizen together with his children and certainly his childrens' children. MY other point is that, and again whatever the way this goes, is that we may never know if the choice was successful or not as both options have their unpredictability.

Personally? I will vote after reflecting the strain on infrastructure ... housing, jobs, welfare, education, healthcare ... that every EU citizen expects a slice of if they come here. And, it is certainly not a level playing field for the British if we move further afield. OH, and I haven't even mentioned national security yet.

[nemesis45]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

Have yet to receive mine ( didn't I hear some refusal to deliver by some local posties? ).

My question is has provision been made, in a similar way, on behalf of and to support the 'Leave' campaign?

While I may thank MR Cameron for giving us this chance to have our say, it should remain down to the individual choice of each citizen who may, or may not, have a jot of self conviction here and may simply vote, if at all, on the feeling in his gut at the time.

Whatever the outcome, this is a momentous decision for the country as a whole and will affect every citizen together with his children and certainly his childrens' children. MY other point is that, and again whatever the way this goes, is that we may never know if the choice was successful or not as both options have their unpredictability.

Personally? I will vote after reflecting the strain on infrastructure ... housing, jobs, welfare, education, healthcare ... that every EU citizen expects a slice of if they come here. And, it is certainly not a level playing field for the British if we move further afield. OH, and I haven't even mentioned national security yet.

A conversation with my MP today reveals that there is no equivalent literature for the out campaign which I will admit to giving whole hearted support.

nem

[leclerc]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

I am voting out. I have received some pamphlet from the government but it's off to the recycling bin so at least it will do good there and not here.

No country has left the EU so it is unchartered waters but at the same time, there is a lot of resentment within EU countries for example, The Netherlands, about further EU integration due to countries coming in who's living standard is a lot lower than here and who will come over to work because they can send money back to their own country. Yes we should be open to people from abroad and going abroad but I am afraid the austerity era shows that when the winter arrives that wonderful idea of European Unity has pitfalls some of us simply cannot but wonder what life would be like without it...

[Noah]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

Apparently Greenland left the eec so it is slightly ambiguous to say no country has left.

I am afraid the remain leaflet was written for the masses with little real fact or explanation however much of the rhetoric peddled by the out campaign is equally disturbingly factless.

I can not for the life of me understand how or why we would be better off out when our biggest trading partner is the Eu. I also find it amusing and worrisome when recent immigrants say we should leave.

Who will foot the bill of all the changes should we leave, it won't be the wealthy it will, as usual with a Tory government, be the poorest in society with greater reductions in benefits and cuts to education health and social services.

[leclerc]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

Apparently Greenland left the eec so it is slightly ambiguous to say no country has left.

I am afraid the remain leaflet was written for the masses with little real fact or explanation however much of the rhetoric peddled by the out campaign is equally disturbingly factless.

I can not for the life of me understand how or why we would be better off out when our biggest trading partner is the Eu. I also find it amusing and worrisome when recent immigrants say we should leave.

Who will foot the bill of all the changes should we leave, it won't be the wealthy it will, as usual with a Tory government, be the poorest in society with greater reductions in benefits and cuts to education health and social services.

Why can't we continue to trade outside of the EU?

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...s-migrating-uk

The above is the problem: unrestricted migration an the issue of austerity.

[nemesis45]

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Why can't we continue to trade outside of the EU?

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...s-migrating-uk

The above is the problem: unrestricted migration an the issue of austerity.

There is absolutely no reason why there should be any effect on trade all the products the UK sell to the EU already meet the regulations transition from that point of view should be very easy.

nem

[des8]

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... and what will happen to employment protection law derived from EU directives?
Gradually eroded so we're back to Dickensian standards?

[nemesis45]

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... and what will happen to employment protection law derived from EU directives?
Gradually eroded so we're back to Dickensian standards?

Personally I don't think such protections will lapse, more likely to be modified to more properlt reflect the UK's needs.

nem

[Noah]

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Personally I don't think such protections will lapse, more likely to be modified to more properlt reflect the UK's needs.

nem

That is just a euphemism for deregulation and loss of protection
It may be OK for people who are older and will not be around to see the carnage but what about their children and grandchildren.

We are in danger of becoming a country of xenophobic racists, lets ship them all back to where they came from shall we!

30 years ago I was predicting a surveillance society , I hate to say i told you so but......

[Openlaw15]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

Received the pamphlet today a page opposite a " plundered " photograph has the heading

What Happens If We Leave.
No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market
***Without having to:***

* Follow EU Rules over which they have no real say.

*pay into the EU

*accept EU Citizens living & working in their country.

As I see it we have none of those benefits!

Didn't these pamphlets on the EU cost 9 million? Was the writing made of, gold?

[Openlaw15]

Re: The Cameron Campaign Pamphlet.

The UK is over run with people who have no intention of ever integrating into our culture and are intent on forcing us to conform to their inhuman and barbaric culture (s).

We are but a tiny island thousands of illegal immigrants and alleged refugees creating no go areas and ghetto areas imposing sharia barbarity are not needed or wanted by right think English/ Welsh and Scots.
The Lunatic fringe such as Comrade Corbyn and Ali bin Galloway are not worth of UK citizenship.
These are the people to be watched.

The reason we have Corbyn et al is because the Eton/ Oxbridge produced MPs/ politicians in Parliament do not reflect the normal joe public. The House of Commons is more like the House of the privileged nowadays. So the joe public will vest their energies in a political someone, out of a bad bunch, who seems different whose views challenge the establishment. There is nothing wrong with communism in the Marxist sense of the term if it were to provide that everyone in this world has enough. The reason why we have poor people in poor countries is because of international trade policy inter alia export and import taxes, is also the reason why people in poor countries of the EU and outside it want to come to the UK.

[charitynjw]

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Imho, people don't trust governments & politicians (other than to trust they will abuse the position once elected).

Whatever their publicised views, I'll bet there's a backstory.