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[bluebottle]

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totally agree Inca.
even the slightest sniff of booze should equal locking up and chucking the key away, and no charge of dangerous driving, make it attempted murder!

Unfortunately, Puff, in order to prosecute someone for Attempted Murder you have to prove intention to kill. Manslaughter might be a better one to go for. However, there are offences of Causing Death by Dangerous or Reckless Driving and Causing Death by Dangerous Driving Whilst Under the Influence of Drink or Drugs. The latter offence carries a maximum penalty, on conviction, of up to 14 years' imprisonment.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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IMO bb, taking an alcoholic drink and turning on a car IS an intention to kill someone!

must admit when I lived in London, I loved the time a torso was found in the Thames, and it had no legs/hands/head and the official statement was "We suspect foul play!"

Nahh!! really?? you honestly think that?!?!

Who writes these statements, surely they know there are a couple of Cockney oiks going D'OH!!!

[labman]

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Puff - I still remember the very first words my driving instructor ever said to me, "You are about to take control of the most dangerous weapon you will ever handle."

I think that was a fantastic statement!

[Inca]

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:( My Daddy asked my driving instructor if he had a death wish

14 years isn't long enough is it BB? My son got hit head on,wrote car off,by a drunk/doped idiot going the wrong way up the A34 at midnight,eating a burger with no lights on! Copperchopper was up cos he legged it,stoopid eejit forgot his car was registered to him !! He got community service and a hefty fine and only a year ban,,he should have been banned for life,,anyone who flouts the driving laws should have their licence permanently revoked ! (and yes,,i agree with Capital Punishment )

[bluebottle]

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Puff - I still remember the very first words my driving instructor ever said to me, "You are about to take control of the most dangerous weapon you will ever handle."

I think that was a fantastic statement!

And in the case of a certificated bailiff the most dangerous part of them is their brain or lack of it.

[bluebottle]

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:( My Daddy asked my driving instructor if he had a death wish

14 years isn't long enough is it BB? My son got hit head on,wrote car off,by a drunk/doped idiot going the wrong way up the A34 at midnight,eating a burger with no lights on! Copperchopper was up cos he legged it,stoopid eejit forgot his car was registered to him !! He got community service and a hefty fine and only a year ban,,he should have been banned for life,,anyone who flouts the driving laws should have their licence permanently revoked ! (and yes,,i agree with Capital Punishment )

How on earth did he get away with just community service, a fine and 12 months disqualification? It wasn't JPs hearing the case, was it? The driver should have gone down for at least 5 years. What he did was drive dangerously.

Btw, the longest period of time anyone has been disqualified from driving, to date, is 15 years. This was for drinking and driving which resulted in an horrific accident.

[Inca]

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If JP's are magistrates courts then yes,,I was less than happy with the result but not having shedloads of cash to chuck at a civil prosecution I had to suck it up.My son dealt with it better than I did.The policemen involved were pretty disgusted too but who knows why the person dished out so light a sentence,,maybe he was on a promise from his Mrs? lol x

[Sapphire]

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When I passed my test my dad said 'congratulations you now have a licence to kill, remember that always whilst you are driving', such a true statement.

Ok so next question, why is it every day round here all I see are the school run parents driving along, chatting on the phone, some a smoking at the same time and kids jumping up and down in car, no seatbelt or restraints. You never, ever see a copper around to nick the buggers.
Oh and these are the very same people who purport to love their kids, yet they are putting their lives at risk and should be charged with child abuse for smoking near them too.

Oh and I agree the rule should be NO DRINK whilst driving.

[labman]

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You've hit three things for me in one question - children and seatbelts, smoking and driving (especially when lighting up) and phoning while driving. ALL really niggle me!

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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I have an agreement with my kids.
They have my phone in the back, if the phone rings my daughter answers it and says "Mammy is driving at the moment, who is calling please and I will ask her to call you back." No 1 son tends to say "Sorry Mam's driving can she ring you back?"

I used to smoke and drive, mainly on long distance, but all my exes smoked, infact Mr R is the only man I have been with that doesn't smoke. But if i had a littley in the back, I waited till I stopped for a break. My kids know, no seatbelt, no travel.

Its a really easy thing to instill on a kid, you make it a ritual. Belt on, tickle, big hug and of we go!!

[Nikolai]

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A former DCI I heard speak a couple of years ago lamented the fact that officers were now being dressed like stormtroopers and posed the question "If you dress them like that what can you expect in terms of their behaviour?" A little simplistic perhaps, but the traditional police uniform stood for something, many feel it was respected, it reflected years of portraying an image of solid values, trustworthiness, reliability. "You can always trust a copper" was something I heard many times in my youth. I never hear it nowadays. How sad.

[miliitant]

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the reason you can never have a 0 drink drive limit is the amount of everyday items that contain alcohol

mouth wash, deodarent, and after shave for example

[CYNthesys]

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BB
I always get a bit confused with this, s it tax evasion or avoidance that is a criminal offence

Reason I ask is that whilst my problems with the bank were underway, the receivers [who were the mortgagors agents] Wrote to the Bank saying" in order to avoid pyment of VAT by the Bank will you arrange to make payment of this invoice direct" I sent a copy of this letter to VAT intel, but the rules forbid them to disclose any outcome

[labman]

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I can answer that! Tax evasion is unlawful. Tax avoidance is legal as long as you stay within prescribed limits where these exist. Rules are being tightened in 2013.

[CYNthesys]

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Thanks Labman, do you know what the prescribed limits are please