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[bluebottle]

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Not much of the above here BB http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-19710415

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I have to agree with you, Davy. I know a couple who lost their son at Hillsborough and my own view of the way the incident has been dealt with is that the families of those who lost their lives have been treated abominably. Those who have been involved in the cover-up must be identified and held to account. But one over-riding fact that cannot be ignored: THERE MUST BE NO MORE COVER UPS.

[Bill-K]

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Moi!!!
Oui - Toi, mon ami !!!
...i believe it was Gilbert and Sullivan, Pirates of Pensance
Possibly - but I'm thinking perhaps Flanders & Swann. Not googled it yet though, so I'm prepared to be proved wrong.
I remember the " if you want to know the time ask a policeman" song from when we were kids, we got many a clip around the ear from teasing our local bobby about it, luckily BB can't reach me here.

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Yeah - the 'Old Guard' had my respect. I got a bike for my birfday and rode for miles one night. "Lawst me way, and didn't know where to roam." It got dark, and I had no lights, but there was an old "Heartbeat" style Austin van going down the Chertsey Road slowly scooping up those old 'double pyramid' traffic cones they used to use. I turned on my waterworks and said I was lost, and the guys asked me my address. They put my bike in the back, and continued picking up the pyramids, while I sat in the front blubbering. Those wretched hard barstewards dropped me and my bike right outside my door and waited until I had parked it and gone through the side gate before driving off. One them gave me a 'tanner' (six old pence - or 6d.) from his pocket for being able to remember my address, bless 'im !!!

I never forgot that - as you now know to your discomfort and boredom !!!

The protection and preservation of life is still the primary duty and responsibility of a police officer, Davy. It supersedes all other duties and responsibilities. This applies to the officer's own life as well as that of others. There are many brave officers who have made the ultimate sacrifice protecting the lives of others. The two officers in Greater Manchester who lost their lives recently are a prime, but tragic, example of this.

Indeed so - and fully agreed. I didn't realise just how similar the Police Oath is to the 'Hippocratic Oath' that senior medical staff take.

[labman]

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Also not dis-similar to the one I made as a little 6 or 7 year old joining the Junior Red Cross Society. I think many organisations have oaths about Queen and country, or God, Queen and country as it then was. Even at that age one was expected to make an oath to join with others all over the world to help the sick and the suffering.

I still remember it well 40+ years later - it was a heck of a commitment to expect from one of that age. I don't think it would happen now.

[bluebottle]

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Also not dis-similar to the one I made as a little 6 or 7 year old joining the Junior Red Cross Society. I think many organisations have oaths about Queen and country, or God, Queen and country as it then was. Even at that age one was expected to make an oath to join with others all over the world to help the sick and the suffering.

I still remember it well 40+ years later - it was a heck of a commitment to expect from one of that age. I don't think it would happen now.

Small world, Labman. I was a Red Cross Cadet, as a teenager, and then an adult volunteer. I can remember the oath I took when I was invested as a Cadet.

[dogtired]

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Had a similar one as a pupil nurse in the QARNNS we also had to sign the Official Secrets Act!

[Sapphire]

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Cards on table time here, apart from working for the Police for a long time, before that I was a pub landlady. To hold a licence to sell alcohol you have to go in front of the licencing magistrates, and promise to run your pub within the rules and with responsibility, one of the rules is that you will not serve alcohol to anyone who is or appears to be drunk. Also it is illegal to serve anyone who is or appears to be under age.

So we all know towns and cities where the pubs and clubs are open all hours, where shed loads of people converge and get absolutely trashed most nights of the week. Bearing that in mind, why is it that we never hear of publicans losing their licence for serving drunks and under age people ? Perhaps if that were to happen then our towns will be a safe place to visit in the evenings, instead of some places being a 'no-go' area.

How I see it, at the moment the police are nothing more than overpaid security guards and bouncers, who can do nothing more than scoop up bodies, and cart them off to the hospital or the cells to sober up and go home and that's tragic, one of my nephews is a policeman in Southampton and the tales he tells is awful, and I can't begin to tell you how many drink and violence related deaths I actually witnessed during my time with the police, you try going to a post mortem of a kid with a knife or glass wound that his killed him/her.

[bluebottle]

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I've attended a number of post-mortems myself, Sapphy. The problem with booze got worse when the politicians took responsibility for liquor licensing away from the police and handed it to local authorities. The other thing that real annoys me is the irresponsible attitude of bar and club owners who do "Buy One, Get One Free", "All You Can Drink for £10", etc., promotions and then blame the punters for getting trashed. Any bar or club owner that behaves in such an irresponsible manner should lose their licence for good. Better still, return responsibility for liquor licensing to the police.

[bluebottle]

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Had a similar one as a pupil nurse in the QARNNS we also had to sign the Official Secrets Act!

:hail::hail::hail:
I was looked after by QARNNS nurses when I had a nose operation in 1982. Very caring and lovely people.

[Sapphire]

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Couldn't agree more, lets go back to the good old days of the licencing officer.

[bluebottle]

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Couldn't agree more, lets go back to the good old days of the licencing officer.

The Licensing Officer we had at Rochester Row Police Station, in Victoria, London, was a amiable guy, but he wouldn't stand for any nonsense from the licensees. Our superintendent didn't take kindly to the antics of the bouncers at a certain nightclub in Victoria and eventually got them closed-down by Horseferry Road Magistrates. The sooner politicians stopped interfering in the way the police are run and let them get on with their job, the better.

[labman]

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The sooner politicians stop interfering with the way most things are run, and let them get on with their jobs the better!

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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I got another question...

I drive, and we have a school near us, most parents idea of teaching a kid to cross the road is to cross, realise the kids are on the other side and scream (for example) CHARLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENE!!! Get over here NOW! and keep walking. If that happened and I hit the kid, would I be done or dangerous driving?

[bluebottle]

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Hi Puff,

In order to be reported and prosecuted for Dangerous Driving, it has to be shown that your standard of driving was such that you were, at the time of the offence, a danger to other road-users. This link will provide you with an idea of how the CPS treats offences of Dangerous Driving www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/dangerous_driving/index.html. If, in the scenario you describe, a child ran across the road without checking to see if vehicles were approaching, I think it unlikely that, apart from being breathalysed, which is standard procedure after a Road Traffic Collision (RTC), any action would be taken by the police and CPS. However, please bear in mind that each case is dealt with on its individual circumstances.

[Inca]

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Personally.,I don't think we should have a drink/drive limit (35 I believe it is?) It should be 0,,not a drop..Booze affects different people different ways and driving a car is no different than any other weapon.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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totally agree Inca.
even the slightest sniff of booze should equal locking up and chucking the key away, and no charge of dangerous driving, make it attempted murder!