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  • #16
    Re: Any advice? (silly question)

    Scooby I notice that at the beginning of the thread you say that your niece is an only child, I'm an only child and perhaps I can provide a little light on what its like to be an only child. Before anyone reads further on this is NOT a poor me exercise its purely as I see how it was for me.

    Right firstly I'd say that compared to other kids with siblings being an only child can be a pretty lonely life, no one to play with, christmas/birthday time spent opening pressies on your own and trying to play monopoly, scrabble or whatever is no fun with just one person playing, no matter how much your parents try to play its really just not the same is it.

    Next as you grow up all your parents hopes and dreams are focused on the one child, so no matter what happens, big or small it is all focused on the one person, no older/younger siblings for your parents to spread those hopes and fears round. When it comes to your schooling its all focused on you and how well/bad you are doing, its all pressure and not nice at all.

    Then you have the normal teenage things we all go through, puberty, noticing the boys/girls, wanting to go out partying etc etc and instead of mum and dad having been there done that with the other siblings, yet again its all focused on the one child.

    Don't get me wrong hun I had the most marvelous of parents and a wonderful life with them but being an only child can be a pretty lonely place to be in. I won't go on further how it can be as you get older, perhaps that can be at a later date.

    All I'm trying to say is perhaps this might be something to do with how your niece is behaving, how she's wanting to stay in touch with her friends, be part of the crowd etc. I can remember being grounded once and sitting at home wondering what the hell my friends were all up to and that was the days before mobile phones were invented, it was a killer. All this could be one of the reasons for stealing money, so she can buy credit for the phone, in my case when I was young I used to buy sweets and hand them out to be part of the crowd. Perhaps her mum and dad could get her a phone and allow her X amount of credit per week for say texting / calls and she could do some chores to pay for it, there's some great phone deals out there and this could go someway towards getting a truce between the warring parties.

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    • #17
      Re: Any advice? (silly question)

      you have actually said what i suggested to them - the phone is her acceptance with her friends and should not be the focus of the punishment - as long as she pays for it herself.

      I had a word with her a few weeks ago on my own and told her the reason she had no freedom was because they can not trust her now , so she should apologise and move forward and earn their trust again to gain the freedom she craves.

      Also every small thing she does now becomes a big problem because of the breakdown in communications.

      Thats why although I have withdrawn a treat I also told her I still was here for her any time she need me and that I hope we can all go out, say to a show in the future when hopefully the problems calm down.

      Thanks for your post as I agree she has been part of an adult world all throgh her childhood but is now not allowed to participate in that world- and thats why if any boys show her attention is it a sort of acceptance to her.
      "What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

      "Always reach for the moon, if you miss you'll end up among the stars"


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      • #18
        Re: Any advice? (silly question)

        Only Child Stories

        I found this after reading Sapphy story, kinda made me see things differently, wondering whether Daisy should have a brother or sister. x
        Luminol x

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        • #19
          Re: Any advice? (silly question)

          I have to agree with what Saph has said, being an only child myself.
          Which is one of the reasons I wanted 3 kids

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          • #20
            Re: Any advice? (silly question)

            Very interesting


            "When I stood up to my mother a year ago by saying: I can’t look after you any more! Well I remember her first reaction was to beat her fists on the bed and say - You’ve won! You’ve won! You’ve won! And it felt terrifying, really terrifying, a confirmation of my experience, my terror of our relationship being a power battle, that we couldn’t both exist. It either had to be me or her. It has felt like in living my own life some how she has to be sacrificed. And may be that’s why it was so difficult to do that before. It’s that particular those particular parents – but being their only child has just made it so intense and so focused that when I was in my teens or in my twenties and thirties, I couldn’t fully live my own life because it was so different to theirs. Because… then they wouldn’t "



            I thought the above was very relevant from the above link - as it does repeat what I said about a real power battle between mother and daughter . I dont want to make excuses for what she is doing but I agree they have to get to the bottom of why it is happening and there has been some interesting reading from your links - so thank you.

            We all know that not all only children would go through such an extreme phase - but maybe that combined with the people she is mixing with , her exams and also other factors have built up some pressure form both sides.
            "What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

            "Always reach for the moon, if you miss you'll end up among the stars"


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            • #21
              Re: Any advice? (silly question)

              I work for Social Services in the CFE (Children, Families and Education) department (please don't shoot me!!). If the parents are concerned that they will be judged or that the young person will be taken into care, then i can assure them that won't happen. Children are only removed from their parent's care if the child is suffering at risk of suffering from harm. This obviously isn't the case in this situation.

              Social Services would far rather work with families to help them resolve the issues they are going through. In our area we have a team called Family Group Conferencing (Which just happens to be the team I work with, so i'm a bit biased!) We have a great deal of success in dealing with family conflict and perhaps if your local SS offer that service a referral could be made to them. There is a website http://www.frg.org.uk/ that might be useful to look at re FGC's.

              They are doing the best thing by talking about it and accepting that they need help. By sweeping it under the carpets is far more damaing, so they are doing the best thing by accepting help.

              There is a lot of help for teenagers and parents and it might be that a third person could break the cycle they appear to be in and get to what the actual issue is and how to overcome it. The school may have access to outside services (mediation etc) that they could refer to.

              Another idea could be Relate - they offer a service called relateen, which is for parents and teenagers to access - this could be a very good resource.

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              • #22
                Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                They have had a couple of mediation sessions and I am not sure if they are due more - and they were told then they are doing everything they can. thanks for the relate info thats interesting.

                I am sure there are lots of parents suffering worse problems - so this thread could be useful to them as well.

                As a last resort she might end up with us for a while - I am sure the hotel next door would have some nice hard work for her - that might bring her into the real world and give her parents a break:tinysmile_hmm_t2:
                "What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

                "Always reach for the moon, if you miss you'll end up among the stars"


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                • #23
                  Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                  I can only sympathise with you Scoob. I hope her parents can get sorted - it must be tough on them.

                  I had a mate at school who routinely took fivers from his dad's wallet. Needless to say he was very popular but did go on to getting into gambling debt.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                    She has broken into a safe in the house and used various credit cards and i get the feeling some of the phones she are topping up belong to boys - so I guess that is making her popular too!

                    I am guessing the total amount so far is over£500 that she has taken from parents and ex- boyfriend
                    "What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

                    "Always reach for the moon, if you miss you'll end up among the stars"


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                    • #25
                      Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                      Well she did not come home from school and after nearly reporting her missing to the police they tracked her down to a boys house quite a few miles away ( she is a bright girl - she will use the fact they could not contact her as a reason for getting her phone back)

                      Home safe now and the boys mother is aware of the problems so now will not believe her in the future if she says she had her mums permission to stay there.

                      normal teenage behaviour I guess - worry your parents sick just to get your Independence.!
                      "What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

                      "Always reach for the moon, if you miss you'll end up among the stars"


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                      • #26
                        Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                        Just an updated question on this. My SIL is still having problems with her daughter . One of which is compulsive lies - every day.

                        For example she has just told a new " boy freind" that she has had an abortion with a previous boy ( not true) - she just can not seem to stop telling lies even when there is no reason to do so . And believe me she is convincing. At age 17 where would you take her '?

                        GP or some other professional body?
                        "What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

                        "Always reach for the moon, if you miss you'll end up among the stars"


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                        • #27
                          Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                          Counselling! - Try relate teenage counselling



                          The only reason I can think that she lies so much is because she doesn't feel interesting enough or have enough self belief that she will be liked for who she is?!
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                          • #28
                            Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                            You could take her here

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                            WORLDS BIGGEST LIAR COMPETITION
                            to be held at The Bridge Inn
                            on Thursday 19 November 2009.
                            Tickets are not available from The Bridge Inn
                            but from Whitehaven Civic Hall on 01946 514960
                            Application Forms to enter are available from Jennings Brewery or The Bridge Inn.


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                            • #29
                              Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                              personally I would send her to drama school because believe me she could make you believe that you are the one going crazy.Or she could be a politician - no problem
                              "What makes the desert beautiful is that somewhere it hides a well." - Antione de Saint Exupery

                              "Always reach for the moon, if you miss you'll end up among the stars"


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                              • #30
                                Re: Any advice? (silly question)

                                Bud, I won that competition 4 years in a row, honestly I did.

                                Scoobs, I cannot offer you any advice other than IMO she is seeking attention and using her lies to reach whatever goal she has set in each situation.

                                A quick google revealed some good advice, here are some links for you to try

                                Lying and Infidelity in Romantic Relationships - Truth About Deception

                                Dealing With a Compulsive Liar - Message Boards - Truth About Deception
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