The EU referendum

[wales01man]

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I have a simple question for those who support staying?
How much will it cost the average family in monetary terms if we leave exact figures please as the stayers our so sure it will cost us all not a vague figure please

If we leave stands to reason we will not be paying billions a year to the EU

[enaid]

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Crucial to the single market is a common framework of regulations that mean companies in countries such as the UK, France, Italy or Poland have to abide by common standards - whether they trade across the EU or not. That is to stop one business or country having an unfair advantage.

Well that's not the case, in can't be if half are skint while the other half do well

[des8]

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I have another question.
The farming subsidies, am I right in thinking they are paid to farmers to control what the farmers produce?

I think it should be left to the farmers to control what they produce, I would think they know best on the matter and would only produce what would help them prosper.
May be wrong but it's just what makes sense to me.

Like Greece has it's olives (and very little else ) as far as I know, do they get subsidies?

WRONG
The single Farm Payment is based on land area and it is for the farmer to decide what he grows.
CAP was discontinued some years ago to prevent the food mountains that were the result.
But CAP needs to be put in the context of the severe food shortages following WW11.

Also to remove the SFP will force food prices up as farmers struggle.
This in turn will make it more viable for other countries to import food into UK.
At the moment SFP in effect acts in the same way as tariffs would on food from third world countries, and proteccts our farming industry from cheap imports.
Whether this is fair or not I am not commenting, but removal of SFP is not s simple as some would have us believe.

[nemesis45]

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France 1 Cow in the back yard you're a farmer and get subsidised same with Greece one tree makes an orchard.

nem

[Stu]

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When deciding on what to vote with the EU referendum, please read this carefully, it's not just about immigration,
Everyone keeps talking about the money everyone pays into the EU, but what does the EU do with all those grants?
Well, here's a list for you:
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

[enaid]

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Just had a read you are right the people who own the most land get the most money lol well will have to think on that one, are the biggest landowners not the wealthiest ? perhaps and that would be why the subsidies are needed. Makes much more sense now, more will have more.

These people?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...istocracy.html

[PAWS]

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UK L.Rover /Jag will be building the parts -they will be ‘assembled’ in Europe. This may stop if we leave due to restrictive duties.
The decision to build the tanks in Spain was made by the ministry of defence who will remain the same.
Dyson was started off with British enterprise funding, not EU money.


Look, whether business go abroad or not is due to the situation in the UK. Some go abroad, especially to Asia where workers are not protected by EU law. If you would rather those conditions and as a consequence the sweat shops were brought back to the UK then vote leave.


All those who want to leave want specifics -from us, those in favour of staying and not from the leaders of the leave campaign. It seems all they have to say is ‘we are a trading nation’ and we will find the money from somewhere and the future will be all beer and skittles. It has been proven they have lied about their figures whereas the stay supporters can actually show the balance sheets yet it is still not enough.
Oh and for farmers -leaving will only benefit the landed gentry -people like the Johnsons.

[enaid]

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Do not for a minute tell me that Cameron can be trusted or his side kick Osborne, they have diplomas no doubt from their very superior education. They can also get a diploma from me for failure and lying

[PAWS]

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Oh I wouldn’t completely trust any of them but at least they can prove most of their argument and it is based, to my mind on common sense. Let’s face it, Farage wasn’t even elected in his own constituency i.e. by those who know him best. I used to Like old Boris and I think he did wonders in London but the only way he was ever going to be PM was by splitting the party and getting the general public to follow him.

[wales01man]

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All the remains on here still have not answered my question companies moving abroad if we vote leave is not certain or do you all have some proof if so show us

[PAWS]

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The companies themselves are saying they will have no choice but to move abroad if we leave the EU. They either depend on investment from European companies, buy raw materials from or export to EU countries. Those who trade with the rest of the world may also reconsider their position because being part of the EU means they get preferential trading rates. Now the UK may try and negotiate preferential rates but will be arguing the case for a very small country as opposed to a large organisation made up of a number of independent states.
Although it will be years before we would formally leave the CEOs of the affected companies would all start to look elsewhere. I know of some already looking to relocate to Ireland as it would give them an English speaking workforce in the EU. As mentioned earlier the economy is already starting to slow down due to the fear we will vote to pull out.
Now even if we forget all the he said/she said – Where is Boris the bullet dodger and Ferret Farage going to find the work to replace those that will be lost? Trust me, even if the billions they claim the EU costs us was re invested into the economy it would not even begin to replace the lost incomes.

[wales01man]

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Paws?
What Companies and where are the press releases from them published would expect that they can be copied on here, Both sides should stop the attacks on those polticians who support leave or remain getting tedious now its about the people of the Country not a few politicians with big mouths

[PAWS]

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A challenge to the UK's right to deny some EU migrants child benefit and child tax credits has been rejected by European judges.
The European Court of Justice said it was lawful for the UK to withholdfamily benefits to EU migrants who were not working if they did nothave the right to reside in the UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36526158


So,we do actually have a say then.


Also on the news -The Sun is backing Brexit.
That stalwart of the truth eh? Well the good news is that all of Liverpool will vote to stay in.
The Sun actually ‘misquoted’ an article of mine but printed it on page 3. For quite a few years I enjoyed telling people I had been on page 3 of the Sun. Most would glance quickly down then think….’In your dreams love’!

[wales01man]

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No proof then Paws?

[Kati]

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For quite a few years I enjoyed telling people I had been on page 3 of the Sun. Most would glance quickly down then think….’In your dreams love’!

msl: I'd have LOVED to see the reactions there P :nod: (altho' most of the males I know would prefer a real woman to an airbrushed bimbo anyway ) xx