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  • Aiding contreventions

    Dear all,

    I am wrestling with a conundrum.

    Section 112 of the Equality Act 2010 states as follows:

    112 Aiding contraventions

    (1) A person (A) must not knowingly help another (B) to do anything which contravenes Part 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 or section 108(1) or (2) or 111 (a basic contravention).

    Using a mere example to demonstrate the difficulty I have:

    A nurse refused to care for a patient for discriminatory reasons (let's say the patient has a horrific disease which amounts to a 'disability'). The patient reports a concern to the Nursing and Midwifery Council who knowingly helps the nurse discriminate against the patient (for whatever reason).

    Could the Nursing and Midwifery Council successfully defend a section 112 claim against it on the basis that the alleged discriminatory act of the nurse took place before it had knowledge of it therefore it could not retrospectively aid that act?

    Could it be argued that the nurse has a continuing duty of care therefore the discriminatory act is continues up until the time the Nursing and Midwifery Council were informed of it therefore the time that the alleged act occurred is somewhat irrelevant?

    In Anyanwu v South Bank Student Union and South Bank University [2001] UKHL 14 [2001] IRLR 305 HL (a Relations Act 1976 case), the Lords suggest that the phrase 'knowingly aids' in section 33 did not imply a desire, intent or aim. All it meant is that the 'aider' had "given some kind of assistance to the other person. The amount or value of that help or assistance is of no importance. Nor is the time at which it is given. It may or may not have been necessary. All that is needed is an act of some kind, done knowingly, which helps the other person to do the unlawful act.

    Any input appreciated.
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  • #2
    Re: Aiding contreventions

    Hmmm... Not a sausage.

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    • #3
      Re: Aiding contreventions

      Originally posted by heisenberg View Post
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      • #4
        Re: Aiding contreventions

        Originally posted by Kati View Post
        It's Easter Weekend (most of the Beagles are probably out doing things with their families) ... give it a bit longer xx
        Okay. :tinysmile_grin_t:

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        • #5
          Re: Aiding contreventions

          Could the Nursing and Midwifery Council successfully defend a section 112 claim against it on the basis that the alleged discriminatory act of the nurse took place before it had knowledge of it therefore it could not retrospectively aid that act?
          Yes, that would be a complete defence.

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          • #6
            Re: Aiding contreventions

            Originally posted by mariefab View Post
            Yes, that would be a complete defence.
            Hi marifab,

            It doesn't appear to be in terms of the presiding case law?

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            • #7
              Re: Aiding contreventions

              I know there is an EAT case on the this point but I haven't studied the details/facts of that. I imagine that is not binding on a County Court in any event.

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              • #8
                Re: Aiding contreventions

                My son has just asked me why is that man in post #2 picking his nose?
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                • #9
                  Re: Aiding contreventions

                  Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
                  My son has just asked me why is that man in post #2 picking his nose?
                  A sign of serious deliberation. :tinysmile_twink_t2:

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                  • #10
                    Re: Aiding contreventions

                    Hypotheticals are just that hypothetical.

                    In these circumstances how can B have aided A unless A was following orders or instructions laid down by B OR possibly there had been a case where B had previously informed C that such an action was wrong.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Aiding contreventions

                      IMHO

                      To clarify

                      A nurse refuses to care for a patient................(who) has an horrific disease.

                      Possible immediate quarantine & isolation, so a health care worker may be justified in not dealing with it, other than to notify the relevant authorities.
                      CAVEAT LECTOR

                      This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                      You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                      Cohen, Herb


                      There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                      gets his brain a-going.
                      Phelps, C. C.


                      "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                      The last words of John Sedgwick

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                      • #12
                        Re: Aiding contreventions

                        Originally posted by mariefab View Post
                        Yes, that would be a complete defence.
                        Under s.112, Equality Act 2010, it is only a complete defence where person A's knowing aid to person B was lawful. So Lawful means not breaking the Equality Act's relevant sections. Person A will not have contravened where he lawfully relies on B's statement. Even if it were lawful, it will not be a complete defence if the reliance was not reasonable too.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Aiding contreventions

                          Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
                          IMHO

                          To clarify

                          A nurse refuses to care for a patient................(who) has an horrific disease.

                          Possible immediate quarantine & isolation, so a health care worker may be justified in not dealing with it, other than to notify the relevant authorities.
                          I think you were taking my example a little too seriously. :tinysmile_twink_t2: Let's say the nurse was due to care for the patient in the quarantine clinic. :sick:

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                          • #14
                            Re: Aiding contreventions

                            Originally posted by Openlaw15 View Post
                            Under s.112, Equality Act 2010, it is only a complete defence where person A's knowing aid to person B was lawful. So Lawful means not breaking the Equality Act's relevant sections. Person A will not have contravened where he lawfully relies on B's statement. Even if it were lawful, it will not be a complete defence if the reliance was not reasonable too.
                            Thanks Openlaw15,

                            So, do I understand correctly that the example used post #1 is an arguable case of aiding a contravention?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Aiding contreventions

                              Originally posted by heisenberg View Post
                              I think you were taking my example a little too seriously. :tinysmile_twink_t2: Let's say the nurse was due to care for the patient in the quarantine clinic. :sick:
                              Not really; just highlighting how a case often turns on the facts, & 'hypothetical' can be misleading. :tinysmile_twink_t2:
                              CAVEAT LECTOR

                              This is only my opinion - "Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

                              You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
                              Cohen, Herb


                              There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
                              gets his brain a-going.
                              Phelps, C. C.


                              "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
                              The last words of John Sedgwick

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