Cartel using Burleys solicitors ? NOT ANY MORE :-D

[Amethyst]

Burleys Solicitors - Reclaim PPI nottingham, consumer credit specialist solicitors nottingham

anyone know if thats the case ?

We know they use CCLS | Solicitor's Introduction

[Curlyben]

Re: Cartel using Burleys solicitors ?

CCLS: Contact Us | Consumer Credit Litigation Solicitors

Try this: http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/choosin...1&searchType=L

Notice any matches ??

[Amethyst]

Re: Cartel using Burleys solicitors ?

pmsl ohh they same people.


Theres rumours in last couple weeks going about of impending bankruptcy (which I don't believe yet) and that the MOJ are investigating heavily (which i don't think the MOJ would tell anyone until something was signed and sealed) so although i don't particularly like Cartel, I would hazard a guess these are rumours from competitors.


anyway - Burleys will look at agreement without a charge, as will Stephensons - so really don't know why people feel the need to stump up hundreds to get their agreements 'evaluated'.

[natweststaffmember]

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Cartel Client Review Consumer Credit Litigation SOlicitors

please email: davidjack@stokenorthlibdems.com

[righty]

Re: Cartel using Burleys solicitors ?

CONSUMER CREDIT LITIGATION SOLICITORS
Floor 5, Building 5,
Universal Square,
Devonshire Street,
Manchester,
M12 6JH
Tel: 0845 026 2599
Fax: 0845 675 2605
Partners: Richard J. Burley and Karl A. Berry.
483311

BURLEY, RICHARD JAMES - Senior Partner
ID: 293295
Admission Date: 01/03/2004
Higher Rights of Audience: No
Registered Foreign Lawyer: No
Registered European Lawyer: No
Insolvency Practitioner: No
Address:
BURLEYS SOLICITORS
64 Balderton Gate
NEWARK
NOTTINGHAMSHIRE
NG24 1UN
ENGLAND
Telephone Number:0845 009 5354
Areas of law:
Children law
Civil litigation
Consumer problems
Employment law
Family law
Personal injury

Details: ]BERRY, KARL ANDREW - Partner
ID: 260197 Admission Date: 17/09/2001 Higher Rights of Audience: No
Registered Foreign Lawyer: No
Registered European Lawyer: No

Address: BURLEYS SOLICITORS
Building 5 Universal Square
Devonshire Street North
MANCHESTER
LANCASHIRE
M12 6JH
ENGLAND
Areas of law: Consumer problems

[righty]

Re: Cartel using Burleys solicitors ?

Someone from the LibDems (I think it's the local MP) posted their email address on CAG asking that anyone who was having problems with Cartel should contact them only to have their email removed by freaky leaky because of the 'site rules' ...........unbelievable
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And this is the guy's post It appears he's the LibDem candidate

Anyone suffering with issues and problems with Cartel, such as delays, lack of
responses ect please let me know. Visit www.stokenorthlibdems.com
(http://www.stokenorthlibdems.com)
email me direct on davidjack@stokenorthlibde ms.com (davidjack@stokenorthlibdems.com)

AND he names us & CAG on his site as good sources of information on reclaiming charges

[Pouring Rain]

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Very interesting, I didn't see this thread before.

I've been on the prowl to find a decent no win, no fee lawyer, just because I don't want to end up being taken to court by the creditors and then find I have to fork out a lot of money for a barrister. I went with what PT has said in other posts, that you don't need to go for CMCs that will charge money upfront.

Well my hunt turned up Consumer Credit Litigation Solicitors ... and also Stephensons, and I see you guys already knew about them both! I had to ring Bradley Say's Chambers to get their recommendations for good solicitors firms that they would work with ... and those are two names that they suggested.

So now I'm wondering what this Lib Dem candidate has against CCLS. If Bradley Say's office say they are good, then it makes me wonder if there's a more complex story here

Maybe these people filter out the best cases and that's what Bradley Say sees, and then keep the rest in some kind of limbo?? But I am surprised that the Lib Dem candidate thinks people have put money up front. According to Burley's website they don't charge an upfront fee...and as Curleyben and Righty have noted, CCLS and Burleys are the same firm. Very difficult to get through to CCLS on the phone if you haven't already got a case number from them though!

[Amethyst]

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I think you have it pretty spot on re CCLS and the Lib Dem guy - doesnt sound like his issue is with the solicitors but the introducer company.

I did start a thread about the solicitors who actually take on and handle these cases properly and professionally, but its very difficult because we cant recommend any without direct experience, and the only people I have any knowledge or experience with is Stephensons.

Theres a number of the big boys specialising in cca cases. If you do decide to use any and can be impartial we would be very interested to hear back your experiences. "Publicised" cases such as the SPML and the recent BOS case are rather few and far between which doesnt meet the expectations raised from the dubious 95% claims made by the CMCs who want your £199 to £495 up front fee.

Across the forums we dont see people coming back from having used these CMCs with good experiences barring very obvious spammers (ie no evidence , very little detail and no undertsanding of the cca )and it would be nice to see more. if they exist which they must.

[righty]

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In the Lib Dems website blurb he admits to running some sort of CMC. In fact I think there's a link in there. So what he says needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt

[Amethyst]

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We had a small communication with him. Mainly on the basis that he had said he ran a CMC.

He responded with some info about himself and his campaign and the company he works with. He basically assists victims of sub prime mortgage lenders who are fighting reposession use the CCA regulations.

I'll ask if we can say any further - your thought Righty was exactly my first thought - hmmm trying to get rid of the competition, but hearing more of what he had to say I don't think that is the case.

[righty]

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Ame have PM'd you regarding repos

[Pouring Rain]

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I think you have it pretty spot on re CCLS and the Lib Dem guy - doesnt sound like his issue is with the solicitors but the introducer company.

I did start a thread about the solicitors who actually take on and handle these cases properly and professionally, but its very difficult because we cant recommend any without direct experience, and the only people I have any knowledge or experience with is Stephensons.

Theres a number of the big boys specialising in cca cases. If you do decide to use any and can be impartial we would be very interested to hear back your experiences. "Publicised" cases such as the SPML and the recent BOS case are rather few and far between which doesnt meet the expectations raised from the dubious 95% claims made by the CMCs who want your £199 to £495 up front fee.

Across the forums we dont see people coming back from having used these CMCs with good experiences barring very obvious spammers (ie no evidence , very little detail and no undertsanding of the cca )and it would be nice to see more. if they exist which they must.

Hi Amethyst, you are right, it is a whole area, and hard to get good evidence from unbiased people who have used these services.

I am trying to contact Burleys, but I work nights and sleep days, and never seem to be able to get to the phone during office hours!! But I will persevere.

Richard, Bradley Say's clerk, also recommended a guy called Simon Abbott (because I said I lived in London, and this is a London solicitor he 'couldn't recommend highly enough' - to use his own words). But so far Simon Abbott has been reluctant about the idea of 'no win, no fee'. I need to speak to him on the phone though. At least he answers emails immediately and is a small law firm where he deals personally with you.

As for Stephensons, I looked at their website, and it seems they ONLY take cases where the agreement would be irredemably unenforceable because of mis-stated or missing prescribed terms, they are not interested in improperly executed - i.e. where there is an element of argument needed to persuade the judge. And even then only cases above £5,000 debt. So although they might look at our agreements for free, they will only be interested if the prescribed terms are faulty.

So my hope is that I can get through to CCLS via Burleys somehow. Though Richard did say that I could always get back to him and ask for more contacts (but he said these three (Simon Abbott, Stephensons and CCLS) were by far the largest clients for Bradley Say).

Amethyst, it would be interesting to read your thread on the solicitors, can you post up a link? Did you have lots to say about Stephensons?
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Also, I picked up this little bit of insider story somewhere on the net:



"We keep hearing reports of this area of law ('get your loan written off'', 'cancel my loan if over £7,000 and under £25,000 and before 2007', 'reduce my debt', 'clear my debt for life' etc.. etc..), being the new potentially big money spinner for a lot of law firms, and have been keeping track of recent developments. A candidate has recently sent us the following feedback from working for one of the operators in this field..."I had been working for x Solicitors who are linked to a claims management firm. As I worked there it became increasingly obvious that there was a lack of independence for us to advise our clients as to the strengths and weaknesses of their claims. Many files did not have claims at all but we were actively discouraged from telling clients upfront that there was no defect in the agreement. Management asked us to advise clients whose files had weak or very poor legal arguments that their files were being sent for further investigation. This delayed refunding clients who had already waited for long periods of time for their files to be addressed.

One day in particular a couple of weeks ago I had a client on the phone screaming at me because I felt I could not tell her she was due for a refund as there was no real prospects of success. I told her it was being further reviewed. She screamed 'you're my solicitor why can't you update me'.? She was perfectly correct.

Many of the difficulties stem from the fact that the representatives tell customers that agreements can be written off or deemed unenforceable and build up false hopes. Many files come through with very poor legal basis for claims.

One argument apparently is being appealed at Court of Appeal later this year. However we were actively encouraged to pursue claims based on a case hopefully being overturned in CA.

This was a firm with poor working practices and sullies the image or profile of those firms who operate in a correct and professional way. There are genuine issues under the Consumer Credit Act but they need to be tackled professionally in order to maintain the public's trust."


Interesting insight into how some of these CMCs are working. It really doesn't make sense to part with money upfront unless you have a clear idea ALREADY that your agreement is unenforceable ... and even you may as well go with someone that doesn't charge an upfront fee.

[Pouring Rain]

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Well an update on this. Got in touch with Burleys, spoke to someone who sounded like a solicitor, and yes Burleys are the same as Consumer Credit Litigation Solicitors - CCLS is a Burleys 'trading style' to use his words. But he said they never take consumer credit clients on directly, we have to go through Cartel's vetting process - even though I discussed my agreement with him and he immediately knew that the Spurway judgement applied, he said his hands were tied, they couldn't take it on without me going through Cartel.

I looked up Cartel and they take 30% of the loan written off if they are successful!!! So that's a dead end!!

[righty]

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The problem with these contingency agreements is what happens if there's no refund just either a reduction in the loan or even it's cancellation How then can the claimant pay they aren't usually flush with money are they..wot then???

[Pouring Rain]

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And another update. I spoke to Simon Abbott today, a small law firm that Bradley Say's clerk recommended. Simon only seems to take cases where the consumer has been at a significant disadvantage because of the way the agreement was written up, that has to be the underlying thrust of the case. He doesn't think in general that's the case with most credit card agreements.

So now I'm contacting Stephensons to see what they think of our loan agreement. It seems the £5,000 bottom limit of the debt outstanding is important because anything under that will mostly only go to a small claims court where no substantial costs are awarded. At least Stephensons are interested in unenforceable agreements and will look at it for free and take it on free if they want to. Of course the problem is that if they don't think the prescribed terms are misstated they won't look further into it.
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The problem with these contingency agreements is what happens if there's no refund just either a reduction in the loan or even it's cancellation How then can the claimant pay they aren't usually flush with money are they..wot then???

Exactly Righty, my understanding is that the amount of the debt that is cancelled once an agreement is considered unenforceable is the amount they take their 30% from. Like others have said, it's like exchanging an unenforceable debt for an enforceable debt.