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  • Shooter V Capital One

    I have this claim ongoing from 2007 and am now going for it again
    All the details are on my thread on CAG

    Belville v Capital One - The Consumer Forums


    I sent this on 1st august

    Capital One Bank
    Executive Office
    PO Box 5281
    Nottingham
    NG2 3HX


    Dear Sir/Madam

    Regarding: Account Number ****************

    Further to my past letters requesting a refund of charges, I still believe that you, Capital One Bankhave been charging me charges that are contrary to the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. Schedule 2 (e) of the said regulations gives a non-complete list of terms, which may be regarded as unfair, such as a term that requires me as a consumer who fails in his obligation, to pay a disproportionately high sum in compensation.

    I believe that your charges are disproportionately high and therefore they are contrary to the Unfair Terms in Consumer Regulations 1999. In addition I believe that your charges are a Penalty. Penalty charges are irrecoverable at common law. The precedent for this was Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co Ltd v New Garage and Motor co Ltd [1915] AC 79 along with Murray v. Leisure play [2005] EWCA Civ 963. It was held that a contractual party can only recover damages for an actual loss or liquidated losses. It is clear that your charges do not reflect any actual and or real loss.

    I realise that some of the charges I am reclaiming were levied before 19th July 2002, that is, longer than 6 years ago. Because this action is based on simple contract, s5 of the Limitations Act 1980 would be thought to apply and the action to be time-barred after the expiration of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued – the cause of action being, in this case, the levying of the respective unlawful late payment charges.

    However, I did not seek repayment of the charges at the time because I mistakenly believed them to be lawful and therefore paid them mistakenly.


    I will therefore be claiming that s32 of the Limitation Act 1980 applies as the action is for the relief from the consequences of my mistake (s32 (1)(c)) and that capital one have deliberately concealed facts relevant to my right of action (s32(1)(b)). The limitation period of 6 years thus begins from the point where I could reasonably have discovered my mistake and your concealment, namely the broadcast of the BBC’s Moneybox programme on 18 February 2006.

    Furthermore if you fail to comply with this letter, I request without further notice a breakdown and proof of all costs involved, in regards to your actual or liquidated losses involved in any breach of contract to which these charges relate with yourselves, and that these charges reflect your true costs in relation to the said charges, and are proportionate to the charges levied on my account as defined in Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. Schedule 2 (e).

    Therefore I require you to refund me a total of £818.00, representing the total, unlawful amount charged during the last 6 years.
    I am also requesting payment of interest of £2288.03 as of today’s date based on your credit interest rate of 34.9% APR, as stated on your website, compounded, as restitution for capital one’s unjust enrichment by making unlawful charges to my account, making a total of £3106.03 The interest will continue to accrue at a rate of £0.68 day until such time as I receive payment from you.

    I hereby give you 7 days to refund the charges by cheque, made payable to me. For the avoidance of doubt, if this is not done by 28th July 2008 (to allow for postage times), I will commence my claim in the courts without further warning. This action will inevitably involve you in additional costs.

    I also hereby request a detailed report of which clause in your terms and conditions each charge has been applied against.

    Lastly, I require that you cease harassment of me as regards this account through debt collection agencies as neither you nor they have proved that this account is enforceable as No Credit agreement has been provided in response to my statutory request under s78(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974

    Yours sincerely,


    Well would you beleive it I finally got a reply from Crap one yesterday

    They are offering me a measly £286.00 what a cheek!!

    Ellie Renshaw didn't send this letter though so we now have Someone new to add to the mix a "Sven Lagerberg"

    So, Hey Ho off to Court We Go.


    I'm ready to start my NI
    Could someone check whats below and correct any mistakes I may have made



    IN THE XXXXHCOUNTY COURT


    BETWEEN

    shooter

    Claimant


    And


    Capital One Bank

    Defendant


    PARTICULARS OF CLAIM


    1. The Claimant entered into an agreement (“The Agreement”) with the Defendant on or around 12 October 2001, whereby the Defendant was to advance credit facilities to the Claimant under a running credit account, Account no xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ("The Account").

    2. The Agreement essentially consisted of the Defendant providing the Claimant with a credit card (“The Card”) which would allow the Claimant to make purchases and receive cash advances on credit. In return the Defendant was entitled to charge interest at the published rate.

    3. The Agreement was a Regulated Agreement for the purposes of the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

    4. At all material times the contract was subject to the Defendant’s standard terms and conditions which could be varied from time to time.


    Summary


    5.Throughout the course of the Agreement, the Defendant has added numerous default charges to the Account for the Claimant’s breach of the Agreement by his failure to make the minimum payment on the due date and or for exceeding the credit limit and or if a payment was returned. (Full particulars are set out in the attached Schedule).

    6. The default charges were applied in accordance with the standard terms of The Agreement which were:

    a). A penalty payable on breach of contract and thus unenforceable: and

    b) An unfair term under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (“The Regulations”) and therefore not binding on the Claimant.


    7. The Claimant is accordingly entitled to repayment of the sums wrongly added to the Account plus interest levied thereon.

    The Charges

    8. The standard Terms of the Agreement in substance provided as follows:

    (a) The Defendant would provide the Claimant with the Card. The Claimant was entitled to use the Card to make purchases and receive cash advances up to a credit limit (“the Limit”) set by the Defendant. The Defendant could unilaterally change the Limit by giving the Claimant notice in writing.

    (b) The Defendant was entitled to charge interest on the purchases and cash advances at the published rate.

    (c) The Claimant was to pay the minimum payment specified on the monthly statements of account by the due date as notified in the monthly statements.

    (d) In addition the Defendant was entitled to charge default fees (“the Charges”) where the Claimant exceeded the Limit, did not pay on the due date or had a payment returned. The Charges are currently £12 for each transgression. Prior to 2006 the Charges were £20 and prior to 2002 the charges were £18.


    Contract Penalties


    9. The Charges were payable on breach of contract by the Claimant.

    10. The amount of the Charges exceeded any genuine pre-estimate of the damage which would have been suffered by the Defendant in relation to the Claimant’s transgressions.

    11. In the premises the Charges were punitive and a penalty and thus unenforceable at common law.


    The Regulations


    12. At all material times the Claimant was a consumer within the Regulations.

    13. At all material times the terms of the Agreement providing for the Charges were unfair within regulation 5 of the Regulations in that, contrary to the requirement of good faith, they caused a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations to the detriment of the Claimant.

    14. Without prejudice to the burden of proof, the Claimant will refer to the following matters in support of the contention that the terms are to be assessed as unfair as at the time of the conclusion of the Agreement, and of each revision to the Standard Terms.


    (1) The terms relating to Charges were standard terms; they would not be individually negotiated.

    (2) The Charges were a penalty for breach of contract.

    (3) The Charges exceeded the costs which the Defendant could have expected to incur in dealing with the exceeding of the credit limit, late payment or returned payment.

    (4) Accordingly the Charges were a disproportionate charge incurred by the Claimant for their failure to meet their contractual obligation and thus within the ambit of Schedule 2 (1) (e) of the Regulations and indicative of an unfair term.

    (5) As the Defendant knew, the Charges were of subsidiary importance to the customer in the context of the Agreement as a whole and would not influence the making of the Agreement.

    (6) As the Defendant knew, the Claimant had no means of assessing the fairness of the Charges.

    (7) In the premises, the effect of the Charges would be prejudicial to the customer who incurred them, and cause an imbalance in the relations of the parties to the Agreement by subordinating the customer’s interests to those of the Defendant in a way which was inequitable.


    15. Without prejudice to the burden of proof, the Claimant will contend that the terms imposing the Charges are not core terms under regulation 6 of the Regulations and rely on the following matters.

    (1) The assessment of fairness does not relate to terms which define the main or core subject matter of the Agreement.

    (2) The assessment of fairness does not relate to the adequacy of the price or remuneration as against the goods or services supplied in exchange (in other words, whether or not the relevant services were value for money).

    (3) The Charges are correctly described as default charges by the Defendant in the key information provided to new customers.


    16. By reason of the said matters the terms were not binding under regulation 8 of the Regulations.

    17. The Defendant wrongly applied Charges to the Account totalling some £818.00 between 27th November 2001 and 21st June 2006. Particulars appear from the attached Schedule.

    18. On 19th July 2007 the Claimant demanded repayment of the sums wrongly applied.

    19. The Defendant has not repaid them or any of them.

    20. The Claimant is aware that some of the Charges reclaimed relate to activity on the Account more than 6 years ago and therefore might be thought to fall within the scope of s5 of the Limitations Act 1980. However, the Claimant at the time mistakenly believed the Defendant to be acting lawfully in applying the Charges, and only recently became aware that the Charges were unlawful. Further, the Defendant has maintained that the Charges were lawful despite evidence to the contrary and has sought to conceal their true nature.

    21. The Claimant therefore contends that the limitation period is postponed pursuant to s32(1)(b) and (c) of the Limitations Act 1980:


    32 Postponement of limitation period in case of fraud, concealment or mistake


    (1) Subject to subsections (3) and (4A) below, where in the case of any action for which a period of limitation is prescribed by this Act, either--

    (a) the action is based upon the fraud of the defendant; or

    (b) any fact relevant to the plaintiff's right of action has been deliberately concealed from him by the defendant; or

    (c) the action is for relief from the consequences of a mistake;


    Compound Interest


    22. The Claimant submits that the Defendant would be unjustly enriched if the Claimant’s entitlement was limited to the statutory rate of simple interest. The Defendant, a powerful financial institution, has had use of the sums wrongfully and unlawfully gained by way of penalty charges levied to the Claimants account, over a period of up to 7 years. The fundamental core of the business of the Defendant is to acquire funds and profit from those funds in the form of interest by lending at commercial compounded interest rates. Therefore, it is the Claimants submission that the sums wrongfully and unlawfully acquired from the Claimant by way of penalty charges would over the considerable time they have been in the Defendants wrongful possession have earned considerable profit by virtue of commercial rates of compounded interest charged by the Defendant.

    23. Therefore for complete restitution to occur the Claimant seeks an award of compound interest at the accounts purchase interest rate of 34.9% per annum which is the defendants advertised rate. The Claimant submits that it is unconscionable that the Defendant may be allowed to profit in any way from unlawful, wrongful and unauthorised use of the Claimants funds, and that compound interest at the rate claimed is necessary to provide an equitable remedy.



    And the Claimant claims:

    (1) Payment of the said sum of £818

    (2) Compound interest at an annual rate of 34.9% from the date of payment of the Charge to 15 August 2008 in the sum of £2357.58, and at the daily rate of 0.082% until judgment or sooner payment.

    (3) In the alternative that the court is not minded to award compound interest, Interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% per annum from the date of payment of the Charge to date in the sum of £270.20, and at the daily rate of 0.022% until judgment or sooner payment.

    (4) Court costs



    I believe that the facts stated in these particulars are true.



    Dated this 15th August 2008



    Signed



    Schedule 1



    From current General Conditions as at September 2007



    1.Key Financial Information



    1A Credit Limit


    We will give you notice of your credit limit and advance limit and we may change them at any time. The advance limit is 50% of the credit limit. We will give you notice of any change to either limit.



    1B Timing of payments


    You must pay us at least the minimum payment shown on your statement by the payment date shown on your statement (which will be 25 days after the statement date).



    1C Amount of repayment

    The minimum payment will be 2.25% of the new balance shown on your

    statement, rounded down to the nearest pound; or £5; whichever is more. If

    the new balance is less than £5, you must pay the full new balance. We may

    change the minimum payment amount in accordance with General Condition

    8 of the agreement.




    3A Default Charges


    ● If a cheque [payable to us] or direct debit cannot be paid £10

    ● If you go over your credit limit £12

    ● If you fail to pay on time £12

    ● If we return a promotional cheque unpaid to prevent you going over your credit limit £12

    ● Expense of tracing you if you change address without notifying us £12

    ● Our reasonable costs or expenses in enforcing this agreement (please refer


    to General Condition 6 for details).




    General Conditions


    The Card


    1(b) You (and any additional cardholder) must not do the following:

    ● Go over your credit limit or advance limit.

    ● Use the card before or after the period it is valid for or after you receive notice that we have cancelled or withdrawn the card.

    ● Use the card to carry out transactions for illegal purposes.



    Statements


    2 (h) Each month we will send you a statement showing:
    ● any repayments you have made; and
    ● all amounts charged to your account;
    since your previous statement.
    You must pay us the minimum payment on or before the payment date shown on your statement.
    (i) When we tell you, you must also immediately pay us:
    ● any amount you owe over your credit limit.
    ● any unpaid payments from previous statements.
    ● any late payment charges shown on your statement; and
    ● the amount of any transaction that breaks this agreement.




    Brief POC


    Quote:

    Repayment of charges unlawfully applied to the Claimant’s account by the Defendant for purported breaches of a contract plus interest levied thereon in contravention of the common law and the UTCCR1999 plus payment of interest in restitution of the Defendant’s unjust enrichment.


    The Claimant claims:

    (1) Repayment of charges totalling £818.

    (2) Compound interest of £2357.58 and at the daily rate of 0.0451% until judgment or sooner payment.

    (3) In the alternative that the court is not minded to award compound interest, interest of £270.20 under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 and at the daily rate of 0.022% until judgment or sooner payment.

    (4) Court costs


    I think I need to add something about

    House of Lords - Sempra Metals Limited (formerly Metallgesellschaft Limited) (Respondents) v. Her Majesty's Commissioners of Inland Revenue and another (Appellants)

    But not sure where in the POC to add it

    If all is ok I will be filling on friday, I think that I may be exempt from paying fees, cause I get child tax credit, Housing and council tax benefit. Does anyone know what I need to take with me?
    Last edited by shooter; 13th August 2008, 00:33:AM.
    Education is a fine thing Just so long as you can afford to live whist studying!!

  • #2
    Re: Shooter V Capital One

    Hi honey, we'll give you a hand on your POC so hang fire filing a bit. Will chat to Bud later as he's doing a very similar claim and we cut his POC right back. And yep you should add in something on Sempra...if you have a look at his cap one thread (you'll be able to see it in a minute ) it will help.

    You can read the information on the EX160 fee exemption here - >http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/H...5AB90207367C36
    #staysafestayhome

    Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

    Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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    • #3
      Re: Shooter V Capital One

      Here you go --- > Legal Beagles
      #staysafestayhome

      Any support I provide is offered without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

      Received a Court Claim? Read >>>>> First Steps

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      • #4
        Re: Shooter V Capital One

        Hi All

        I thought I'd send this in reponce to the minisule offer


        Dear Mr. Lagerberg

        Regarding: Account Number *****************


        Thank you for your letter dated 12th August 2007.

        I note that you have offered £ 286.00 as a gesture of goodwill; I must inform you that I will not be accepting this offer. As outlined in my earlier correspondence I explained that the charges you have applied to my account are contrary to the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. Further or in the alternative, I believed that your charges are a Penalty.

        Penalty charges are irrecoverable at common law. The precedent for this was Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co Ltd v New Garage and Motor co Ltd [1915] AC 79.along with Murray v. Leisure play [2005] EWCA Civ 963.

        Although in my original letter I informed you that I would start legal proceedings within 14 days, as a gesture of goodwill I will give you an extra 7 days to refund £3172.98 back to me via a cheque made payable to myself. If this is not done within the 7 days, I will be forced to start legal proceedings; you will receive no further warnings.

        Furthermore I have also requested that you supply me with a copy of my original contract and a copy of your terms and conditions. To date I have not received either.


        Yours Sincerely


        What do you think??
        Education is a fine thing Just so long as you can afford to live whist studying!!

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        • #5
          Re: Shooter V Capital One

          I think your letter will make absolutely no difference at all, they will not up their offer. You will have to file at court. If you just went for stat interest they would probably pay up the full amount pretty soon after you file the N1. However if you are adamant about going for CI then you have to be prepared for it to drag on and to present some complex arguments (well I think its complex anyway). As Ame says, take advice from Budgie on the CI side of things before putting in your N1 and POC.
          Is no longer here

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          • #6
            Re: Shooter V Capital One

            You should send the letter. You have a duty to try and avoid court action, therefore, if your case does get to the court stage you will be able to show it was your final course of action.

            The letter needs some tweaking if you do decide to send it though.

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            • #7
              Re: Shooter V Capital One

              I agree with Amy 100%.

              Get the letter finished and off in the post asap.

              I have played around with your letter a little bit. Please check that it's OK for you, am sure Amy will advise if there are any major grammatical errors.

              I will work on your N1 and POC draft for you tomorrow.

              I may have a few questions for you.

              Rgds Budgie





              Dear Mr. Lagerberg

              Regarding: Account Number *****************


              Thank you for your letter dated 12th August 2007.

              You have offered £ 286.00 as a gesture of goodwill.
              I decline this offer on the basis that is does not meet my expectations for resolution of this matter.

              As outlined in my earlier correspondence I explained that the charges you have applied to my account are contrary to the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999.
              Further, or in the alternative, I believe that your charges are a unlawful penalties and as such are irrecoverable at common law. Precedents for this include, but are not limited to, Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co Ltd v New Garage and Motor co Ltd [1915] AC 79 and Murray v. Leisure play [2005] EWCA Civ 963.

              In my original letter I informed you that I would commence legal proceedings within 14 days. However, as a gesture of goodwill, I will allow you a further 7 days to refund £3172.98 to me via a cheque made payable to myself. Should you fail to meet my request I will be forced to start legal proceedings, you will receive no further warnings.

              Furthermore, I have previously requested that you supply me with a copy of my original contract and also a copy of the terms and conditions applicable to the account at the date it was opened. I have not received either and now request that these documents are sent to me without further delay.


              Yours Sincerely

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              • #8
                Re: Shooter V Capital One

                Dear Mr. Lagerberg

                Account Number *****************


                Thank you for your letter dated 12th August 2007.

                You have offered £ 286.00 as a gesture of goodwill.
                I decline this offer on the basis that it does not meet my expectations for resolution of this matter.

                As outlined in my earlier correspondence I explained that the charges you have applied to my account are contrary to the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999.
                Further, or in the alternative, I believe that your charges are unlawful penalties and as such are irrecoverable at common law. Precedents for this include, but are not limited to, Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co Ltd v New Garage and Motor co Ltd [1915] AC 79 and Murray v. Leisure play [2005] EWCA Civ 963.

                In my original letter dated.......... I informed you that I would commence legal proceedings within 14 days. However, as a gesture of goodwill, I will allow you a further 7 days to refund £3172.98 to me via a cheque made payable to me. Should you fail to meet my request I will be forced to start legal proceedings, you will receive no further warnings.

                Furthermore, I have previously requested that you supply me with a copy of my original contract and also a copy of the terms and conditions applicable to the account at the date it was opened. I have not received either and now request that these documents are sent to me without further delay.


                Yours sincerely
                Last edited by Amy; 14th August 2008, 20:16:PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Shooter V Capital One

                  Amy and Budgie,

                  Thanks for doing that

                  I will print and post tomorrow

                  I will also be send several letters to GE Capital and LTSB credit card re PPI reclaim and charges

                  Wish me luck

                  Shooter
                  Education is a fine thing Just so long as you can afford to live whist studying!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Shooter V Capital One

                    Hi Shooter,

                    I believe you have adapted the POC from OTR and that you wish to know if it is OK to use when you eventually file at Court !

                    There is nothing wrong with the OTR POC as it stands, I have added a couple of paragraphs under the compound interest section that you could build into your POC to refer to Sempra.

                    However the POC is incredibly long and contains a lot of argument detail that is not really necessary at this stage in your claim. It could be shortened considerably ( see the POC that I used for my claim – post 7 in this thread Legal Beagles ).

                    Let us know how you wish to proceed!

                    Questions : I don’t think we have seen your spreadsheet for this claim. Can you confirm the status of the account at this time. Is the account closed with zero balance or closed with a balance outstanding, or still open etc etc.
                    What we need to establish is whether you have actually paid to Capital One all of the charges for which you are claiming. If you are claiming repayment of charges that you have not actually paid over to Capital One then it would be difficult to justify the payment of any compensation interest on those levied ( but unpaid charges ). You can of course argue that those unpaid charges ( and any interest they have levied on those unpaid charges ) are reversed and credited back to the account.

                    Please let us have a bit more detail so that we can best advise you.

                    Regards Budgie

                    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                    DRAFT

                    PARTICULARS OF CLAIM


                    1. The Claimant entered into an agreement (“The Agreement”) with the Defendant on or around 12 October 2001, whereby the Defendant was to advance credit facilities to the Claimant under a running credit account, Account no xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ("The Account").

                    2. The Agreement essentially consisted of the Defendant providing the Claimant with a credit card (“The Card”) which would allow the Claimant to make purchases and receive cash advances on credit. In return the Defendant was entitled to charge interest at the published rate.

                    3. The Agreement was a Regulated Agreement for the purposes of the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

                    4. At all material times the contract was subject to the Defendant’s standard terms and conditions which could be varied from time to time.


                    Summary


                    5.Throughout the course of the Agreement, the Defendant has added numerous default charges to the Account for the Claimant’s breach of the Agreement by his failure to make the minimum payment on the due date and or for exceeding the credit limit and or if a payment was returned. (Full particulars are set out in the attached Schedule).

                    6. The default charges were applied in accordance with the standard terms of The Agreement which were:

                    a). A penalty payable on breach of contract and thus unenforceable: and

                    b) An unfair term under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (“The Regulations”) and therefore not binding on the Claimant.


                    7. The Claimant is accordingly entitled to repayment of the sums wrongly added to the Account plus interest levied thereon.

                    The Charges

                    8. The standard Terms of the Agreement in substance provided as follows:

                    (a) The Defendant would provide the Claimant with the Card. The Claimant was entitled to use the Card to make purchases and receive cash advances up to a credit limit (“the Limit”) set by the Defendant. The Defendant could unilaterally change the Limit by giving the Claimant notice in writing.

                    (b) The Defendant was entitled to charge interest on the purchases and cash advances at the published rate.

                    (c) The Claimant was to pay the minimum payment specified on the monthly statements of account by the due date as notified in the monthly statements.

                    (d) In addition the Defendant was entitled to charge default fees (“the Charges”) where the Claimant exceeded the Limit, did not pay on the due date or had a payment returned. The Charges are currently £12 for each transgression. Prior to 2006 the Charges were £20 and prior to 2002 the charges were £18.


                    Contract Penalties


                    9. The Charges were payable on breach of contract by the Claimant.

                    10. The amount of the Charges exceeded any genuine pre-estimate of the damage which would have been suffered by the Defendant in relation to the Claimant’s transgressions.

                    11. In the premises the Charges were punitive and a penalty and thus unenforceable at common law.


                    The Regulations


                    12. At all material times the Claimant was a consumer within the Regulations.

                    13. At all material times the terms of the Agreement providing for the Charges were unfair within regulation 5 of the Regulations in that, contrary to the requirement of good faith, they caused a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations to the detriment of the Claimant.

                    14. Without prejudice to the burden of proof, the Claimant will refer to the following matters in support of the contention that the terms are to be assessed as unfair as at the time of the conclusion of the Agreement, and of each revision to the Standard Terms.


                    (1) The terms relating to Charges were standard terms; they would not be individually negotiated.

                    (2) The Charges were a penalty for breach of contract.

                    (3) The Charges exceeded the costs which the Defendant could have expected to incur in dealing with the exceeding of the credit limit, late payment or returned payment.

                    (4) Accordingly the Charges were a disproportionate charge incurred by the Claimant for their failure to meet their contractual obligation and thus within the ambit of Schedule 2 (1) (e) of the Regulations and indicative of an unfair term.

                    (5) As the Defendant knew, the Charges were of subsidiary importance to the customer in the context of the Agreement as a whole and would not influence the making of the Agreement.

                    (6) As the Defendant knew, the Claimant had no means of assessing the fairness of the Charges.

                    (7) In the premises, the effect of the Charges would be prejudicial to the customer who incurred them, and cause an imbalance in the relations of the parties to the Agreement by subordinating the customer’s interests to those of the Defendant in a way which was inequitable.


                    15. Without prejudice to the burden of proof, the Claimant will contend that the terms imposing the Charges are not core terms under regulation 6 of the Regulations and rely on the following matters.

                    (1) The assessment of fairness does not relate to terms which define the main or core subject matter of the Agreement.

                    (2) The assessment of fairness does not relate to the adequacy of the price or remuneration as against the goods or services supplied in exchange (in other words, whether or not the relevant services were value for money).

                    (3) The Charges are correctly described as default charges by the Defendant in the key information provided to new customers.


                    16. By reason of the said matters the terms were not binding under regulation 8 of the Regulations.

                    17. The Defendant wrongly applied Charges to the Account totalling some £818.00 between 27th November 2001 and 21st June 2006. Particulars appear from the attached Schedule.

                    18. On 19th July 2007 the Claimant demanded repayment of the sums wrongly applied.

                    19. The Defendant has not repaid them or any of them.

                    20. The Claimant is aware that some of the Charges reclaimed relate to activity on the Account more than 6 years ago and therefore might be thought to fall within the scope of s5 of the Limitations Act 1980. However, the Claimant at the time mistakenly believed the Defendant to be acting lawfully in applying the Charges, and only recently became aware that the Charges were unlawful. Further, the Defendant has maintained that the Charges were lawful despite evidence to the contrary and has sought to conceal their true nature.

                    21. The Claimant therefore contends that the limitation period is postponed pursuant to s32(1)(b) and (c) of the Limitations Act 1980:


                    32 Postponement of limitation period in case of fraud, concealment or mistake


                    (1) Subject to subsections (3) and (4A) below, where in the case of any action for which a period of limitation is prescribed by this Act, either--

                    (a) the action is based upon the fraud of the defendant; or

                    (b) any fact relevant to the plaintiff's right of action has been deliberately concealed from him by the defendant; or

                    (c) the action is for relief from the consequences of a mistake;


                    Compound Interest


                    22. The Claimant submits that the Defendant would be unjustly enriched if the Claimant’s entitlement was limited to the statutory rate of simple interest. The Defendant, a powerful financial institution, has had use of the sums wrongfully and unlawfully gained by way of penalty charges levied to the Claimants account, over a period of up to 7 years. The fundamental core of the business of the Defendant is to acquire funds and profit from those funds in the form of interest by lending at commercial compounded interest rates. Therefore, it is the Claimants submission that the sums wrongfully and unlawfully acquired from the Claimant by way of penalty charges would over the considerable time they have been in the Defendants wrongful possession have earned considerable profit by virtue of commercial rates of compounded interest charged by the Defendant.

                    23. Therefore for complete restitution to occur the Claimant seeks an award of compound interest at the accounts purchase interest rate of 34.9% per annum which is the defendants advertised rate. The Claimant submits that it is unconscionable that the Defendant may be allowed to profit in any way from unlawful, wrongful and unauthorised use of the Claimants funds, and that compound interest at the rate claimed is necessary to provide an equitable remedy.


                    The Claimant is aware and respects that the court presently has no statutory power or discretion under the County Courts Act 1982 to award compound interest. Further, the Claimant seeks to distinguish the basis of the claim for compound interest in the instant case from the recent High Court judgment in the case of Halliday v Halifax Bank of Scotland [2007] A11 ER (D) 66 where it was found that, on the assumption that the bank charges which formed the principle claim were found to be unenforceable penalties, the Claimant was not entitled to be awarded the banks rate of interest as provided for in the account contract by virtue of an implied mutual or reciprocal term, and that no such term could be implied. The Claimants case for compound interest is not reliant on any implied contractual term.

                    The recent case Sempra Metals Limited (formerly Metallgesellschaft Limited) (Respondents) v Her Majesty's Commissioners of Inland Revenue and another (Appellants) 18th July 2007 raises the issue of Compound Interest and the Claimant submits that, by virtue of the development of the law recently established in this referenced case, it is open to the court to award compound interest in the Claimants instant case.

                    The Claimant also respectfully requests that his claim for compound interest be viewed in the context of the instant claim rather than in isolation, and with full regard for the seriousness of the Defendant’s misdemeanors which have led to the Defendant profiting unlawfully from the Claimant’s account defaults. It is entirely inequitable that the Defendant should have deprived the Claimant of the use of his monies for this length of time without repaying it with interest at the rate which it charges the Claimant in equivalent circumstances; monies which it is in the business of re-lending at the same commercial rate of interest and which will only restore the Defendant to the position where it had not received any benefit from having had use of the Claimant’s money. It is the Claimant’s case that the Defendant would be unjustly enriched if the Claimant’s entitlement was limited to the recovery of the charges and simple interest at the statutory rate. The Claimant therefore seeks a full remedy which allows complete restitution of the wrongful and unjust gains of the Defendant.


                    And the Claimant claims:

                    (1) Payment of the said sum of £818

                    (2) Compound interest at an annual rate of 34.9% from the date of payment of the Charge to 15 August 2008 in the sum of £2357.58, and at the daily rate of 0.082% until judgment or sooner payment.

                    (3) In the alternative that the court is not minded to award compound interest, Interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% per annum from the date of payment of the Charge to date in the sum of £270.20, and at the daily rate of 0.022% until judgment or sooner payment.

                    (4) Court costs



                    I believe that the facts stated in these particulars are true.



                    Dated this 15th August 2008



                    Signed



                    Schedule 1



                    From current General Conditions as at September 2007



                    1.Key Financial Information



                    1A Credit Limit


                    We will give you notice of your credit limit and advance limit and we may change them at any time. The advance limit is 50% of the credit limit. We will give you notice of any change to either limit.



                    1B Timing of payments


                    You must pay us at least the minimum payment shown on your statement by the payment date shown on your statement (which will be 25 days after the statement date).



                    1C Amount of repayment

                    The minimum payment will be 2.25% of the new balance shown on your

                    statement, rounded down to the nearest pound; or £5; whichever is more. If

                    the new balance is less than £5, you must pay the full new balance. We may

                    change the minimum payment amount in accordance with General Condition

                    8 of the agreement.




                    3A Default Charges


                    ● If a cheque [payable to us] or direct debit cannot be paid £10

                    ● If you go over your credit limit £12

                    ● If you fail to pay on time £12

                    ● If we return a promotional cheque unpaid to prevent you going over your credit limit £12

                    ● Expense of tracing you if you change address without notifying us £12

                    ● Our reasonable costs or expenses in enforcing this agreement (please refer


                    to General Condition 6 for details).




                    General Conditions


                    The Card


                    1(b) You (and any additional cardholder) must not do the following:

                    ● Go over your credit limit or advance limit.

                    ● Use the card before or after the period it is valid for or after you receive notice that we have cancelled or withdrawn the card.

                    ● Use the card to carry out transactions for illegal purposes.



                    Statements


                    2 (h) Each month we will send you a statement showing:
                    ● any repayments you have made; and
                    ● all amounts charged to your account;
                    since your previous statement.
                    You must pay us the minimum payment on or before the payment date shown on your statement.
                    (i) When we tell you, you must also immediately pay us:
                    ● any amount you owe over your credit limit.
                    ● any unpaid payments from previous statements.
                    ● any late payment charges shown on your statement; and
                    ● the amount of any transaction that breaks this agreement.




                    Brief POC


                    Quote:

                    Repayment of charges unlawfully applied to the Claimant’s account by the Defendant for purported breaches of a contract plus interest levied thereon in contravention of the common law and the UTCCR1999 plus payment of interest in restitution of the Defendant’s unjust enrichment.


                    The Claimant claims:

                    (1) Repayment of charges totalling £818.

                    (2) Compound interest of £2357.58 and at the daily rate of 0.0451% until judgment or sooner payment.

                    (3) In the alternative that the court is not minded to award compound interest, interest of £270.20 under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 and at the daily rate of 0.022% until judgment or sooner payment.

                    (4) Court costs

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                    • #11
                      Re: Shooter V Capital One

                      Hi Budgie
                      thankyou for replying
                      sorry I haven't replied sooner It's been a hectic few day's what with my eldest moving home

                      Originally posted by Budgie View Post
                      Hi Shooter,

                      I believe you have adapted the POC from OTR and that you wish to know if it is OK to use when you eventually file at Court !
                      Sorry, but what's OTR?

                      There is nothing wrong with the OTR POC as it stands, I have added a couple of paragraphs under the compound interest section that you could build into your POC to refer to Sempra.

                      However the POC is incredibly long and contains a lot of argument detail that is not really necessary at this stage in your claim. It could be shortened considerably ( see the POC that I used for my claim – post 7 in this thread Legal Beagles ). I will have a look

                      Let us know how you wish to proceed!

                      Questions : I don’t think we have seen your spreadsheet for this claim.
                      I've added it in next post

                      Can you confirm the status of the account at this time. Is the account closed with zero balance or closed with a balance outstanding, or still open etc etc.
                      Account status is account closed with £143 outstanding with approx £96 in charges

                      What we need to establish is whether you have actually paid to Capital One all of the charges for which you are claiming.
                      All the charges on the spreed sheet have been paid to capital one as I paid off the account in full in July 2007, I asked them to close the account and they didn't, Then allowed a payment onto the account for card protection ( Similar to sentinel), I didn;t know untill I happened to open a letter from them in december, I spoke to them and they said as I hadn't put my request to close the account in writting that the account was still open and I was liable for all and any charges,

                      If you are claiming repayment of charges that you have not actually paid over to Capital One then it would be difficult to justify the payment of any compensation interest on those levied ( but unpaid charges ). You can of course argue that those unpaid charges ( and any interest they have levied on those unpaid charges ) are reversed and credited back to the account.

                      Please let us have a bit more detail so that we can best advise you.

                      Regards Budgie


                      They have added a default to the account as below


                      CAPITAL ONE Credit card / S... Default £143 06/07/2008
                      Company name: CAPITAL ONE
                      Account type: Credit card / Store card
                      Started: 12/10/2001
                      Default Balance : £ 143
                      Current Balance : £143
                      Defaulted On : 04/06/2008
                      File Updated for the Period to: 06/07/2008


                      CAPITAL ONE Credit card / S... 6 payments late £131 08/06/2008
                      Company name: CAPITAL ONE
                      Account type: Credit card / Store card
                      Started: 12/10/2001
                      Current Balance : £131
                      Credit Limit : £200
                      File Updated for the Period to: 08/06/2008

                      CAPITAL ONE Credit card / S... 5 payments late £117 11/05/2008
                      Company name: CAPITAL ONE
                      Account type: Credit card / Store card
                      Started: 12/10/2001
                      Current Balance : £117
                      Credit Limit : £200
                      File Updated for the Period to: 11/05/2008




                      as you can see they state that it defaulted on 4th June but it didn't show until 6th July I would also like to try to get this default removed if possible.

                      Hope the above answers help.

                      Thanks
                      Shooter
                      Last edited by shooter; 17th August 2008, 04:52:AM.
                      Education is a fine thing Just so long as you can afford to live whist studying!!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Shooter V Capital One

                        Finally worked out how to attatch spreed sheet!!
                        Last edited by shooter; 17th August 2008, 04:47:AM.
                        Education is a fine thing Just so long as you can afford to live whist studying!!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Shooter V Capital One

                          OTR = CAG
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                          • #14
                            Re: Shooter V Capital One

                            Ok so I have an Update on this I have today received what Capital one say is my credit agreement

                            I'm not 100% sure that what they have sent fulfills there obligation.

                            I have been sent the signature side of a letter that does infact have my signature in my handwritting in a box that says Credit Card Account Agreement, it is on what appears to be one side of a letter envelope there are no prescribed terms and conditions with it only a copy of the current T&Cs

                            Also theres a copy of a screen shot regarding the default on my account and template default letters.

                            Any one got any thoughts on this

                            Shooter x


                            Education is a fine thing Just so long as you can afford to live whist studying!!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Shooter V Capital One

                              :bump2:
                              Education is a fine thing Just so long as you can afford to live whist studying!!

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