• Welcome to the LegalBeagles Consumer and Legal Forum.
    Please Register to get the most out of the forum. Registration is free and only needs a username and email address.
    REGISTER
    Please do not post your full name, reference numbers or any identifiable details on the forum.

help please I dont know where to go for advice

Collapse
Loading...
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    You and your partner bought a house Purchase Price £52,000 in 2005 as ‘joint tenants’. I assume you never married.

    You became ‘tenants on common’ when the final charging order issued, 17th September 2015.

    Therefore, it becomes necessary to establish what your partner’s ‘share’ of the property is.
    Reason, his charging order creditor can only target his ‘share’ to obtain payment of his debt. The creditor can not target your share.

    The 1st Question is, therefore, what was his equity share on the day he died?
    The 2nd Question is whether, before death, he made a will gifting that share to someone?
    The 3rd Question, is whether some documentary proof exists, whereby he transferred his equity in the property to you?

    To establish the 1st Question, you will need to do some intensive accounting.

    From your postings:
    You paid £26,000 from your own pocket and a mortgage was, I assume, obtained by you and your partner, for the other £26,000.

    To get at that you will need to answer the following:
    “What was your partner’s payment contributions in respect of that £26,000 mortgage?”
    “What was your partner’s payment contributions in respect of the remortgage of £50,000?”

    Quote -I then had to remortgage again as he was gamberling 30k.

    “What was your partner’s payment contributions in respect of that remortgage?”

    Quote - he refused to pay anything from 2009

    Comment


    • #17
      Originally posted by

      One question that occurs to me is: "If the charging order is removed, by paying the underlying debt, does the property revert to a joint tenancy?"

      [/FONT
      Don't know the answer to that, but I would think that where the joint owners are both still surviving if the charge was paid off in practice the joint tenancy would be revived as there is no change to the register.
      In this case where the joint tenancy has been severed it cannot be revived as one party has passed on.

      I suggested professional advice as I think a court will want to look into the background in some detail to see what each of the parties put into the property to decide in what proportions the tenants in common held the property.

      Passing thought..what are the chances the CCJ was paid but the charging order inadvertently not removed?
      Last edited by des8; 3rd December 2020, 11:58:AM. Reason: wrote this much earlier but got distracted before posting hence crossed with Efpom. Teach me to check fort further posts!

      Comment


      • #18
        This is my proposed plan. I cannot see any illegality in that plan – but I am not a Land Law expert.

        1 – Pay the creditor, on condition he removes the charge. Cost £5,000 + interest, if interest was awarded on the debt – the entitlement to interest, if any, is established by seeing what was written on the CCJ.

        2 – When the charge has “disappeared” from the Land Registry, apply to be registered as sole owner – death certificate and the relevant Land Registry form.

        3- Sell the property, which will include paying off the mortgage(s) on the property.

        4- There will then, hopefully, be a sum £A, which is the net proceeds of sale.

        5- – Work out the deceased’s ‘equitable share’, by determining what he actually paid into the property by way of mortgage repayments and any capital investment, as a percentage of the total amount paid into the property.

        6- Apply that percentage to the proceeds of sale.

        7 - Deduct the cost of repaying the debt which led to the charging order.

        8 – Pay the resultant sum into the deceased’s estate.

        -----
        If, under 4, there are no net proceeds of sale, and there remains a sum due to the mortgage lender, the “non deceased” and the estate of the deceased are liable to pay the shortfall i.e. negative equity, as per their obligations under the mortgage agreement.


        Last edited by efpom; 3rd December 2020, 15:33:PM. Reason: Paragraphs!

        Comment

        View our Terms and Conditions

        LegalBeagles Group uses cookies to enhance your browsing experience and to create a secure and effective website. By using this website, you are consenting to such use.To find out more and learn how to manage cookies please read our Cookie and Privacy Policy.

        If you would like to opt in, or out, of receiving news and marketing from LegalBeagles Group Ltd you can amend your settings at any time here.


        If you would like to cancel your registration please Contact Us. We will delete your user details on request, however, any previously posted user content will remain on the site with your username removed and 'Guest' inserted.
        Working...
        X