Alcoholism discussion

[wales01man]

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Are you a leftie Openlaw you come across as one

[JulieM]

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Where do you get your salary figures from?
There was a time it was potentially very profitable to be a fund holding GP but these days there seem to be less and less with more salaried gps , well in my area anyway. A salaried GP gets between about 55and 85 k .

https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/abo...ne/pay-doctors

of course fund holding gps , if that is what they are still called have a lot of other expenses, insurance being one .

[Openlaw15]

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Are you a leftie Openlaw you come across as one

I am of sorts a realist marxist

[wales01man]

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At least your honest OPENLAW for the record im centre ground I think theres good and bad in all types of politics and politicians we just need a good mix of ideals

[Crazy council]

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lol, am a lefty, then a righty, then an uppercutty then a headbutty

On alcoholism, substance abuse and love

there all chemical dependencies, and should be treat as health issues first, then psychological issues, you can use any of them in moderation, its just becom,es a problem when its a regular habit. I think russell brand has the most sensible approach to addiction.

[PAWS]

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Alcohol crimes, ie driving under the influence are 'moral' crimes - there is such a stigma attached even if the DD were several years back. Alcoholism is also very much a moral term but it's the addiction factor which the medical professionals have regard for (the 'medical model', ie medical answer/ system for being an alcoholic). So, the drug industry treats the symptoms via medication, which the pharmaceutical industry itself is a multi billion pound industry, probably. It's seemingly more about controlling than cure. The salaries of GPs are phenomenally high, as are all medical professionals. There is just an incentive - in my view a financial one - for the continuation of the 'drug culture' (ie legal stimulant medication)/ medical model.

Not sure why you quoted me as you did not refer to a single line but anyway…..

Alcoholcrimes, i.e. driving under the influence are 'moral' crimes - thereis such a stigma attached even if the DD were several years back.

I do believe the ‘morality’ is a relatively recent attitude. I am sure I am not the only one who remembers that even in the late seventies and in rural areas the 80’s people regularly drove ‘under the influence’. It is only thanks to more stringent enforcement and a successful campaign highlighting the often tragic consequences that people have seen DD as morally reprehensible. For Alcoholics, being seen stashing the empty bottles is often far more shaming.

Alcoholism is also very much a moral term but it's the addiction factor which the medical professionals have regard for (the 'medical model', i.e.medical answer/ system for being an alcoholic). So, the drug industry treats the symptoms via medication, which the pharmaceutical industry itself is a multi billion pound industry,

Drugs can be used to curb the desire for alcohol. These will make the person extremely ill if taken with intoxicants. They are not often used however as they are rarely successful. The pharmaceutical companies do not see this as a big earner.I do believe that the majority of clinical practitioners now strive to avoid the prescription pad. As a matter of fact, getting antibiotics is now often akin to squeezing the proverbial from a rocking horse.

The salaries of GP are phenomenally high, as are all medical professionals. There is just an incentive - in my view a financial one - for the continuation of the 'drug culture' (ie legal stimulant medication)/ medical model.

I have voiced my issues with the medical profession with some vigour and on many occasions but I will tell you few GPs are what you describe as Phenomenally overpaid. In fact when you consider they leave college with an average debt of £45 k, are never quite finished studying, and often spend their day rooting around in crevices some of us wouldn’t touch with our own hands on our own bodies I reckon they are pretty poorly paid.

[Anthony72]

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Paws
About the salaries I tend to agree with you
A Dr spends , what is it 6 years at Uni and then time working lots of shitty hours in a hospital before further training to be a GP. Their starting salary is not high and frankly if you wanted to earn the big bucks you would do another job.

Of course you can argue that all these jobs are overpaid but don't single Drs out. Consultants make their money by doing private work but if you are a surgeon there may be lots of private work , if you are a consultant in say Virology there is probably a lot less.

[PAWS]

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Paws
About the salaries I tend to agree with you
A Dr spends , what is it 6 years at Uni and then time working lots of shitty hours in a hospital before further training to be a GP. Their starting salary is not high and frankly if you wanted to earn the big bucks you would do another job.


Of course you can argue that all these jobs are overpaid but don't single Drs out. Consultants make their money by doing private work but if you are a surgeon there may be lots of private work , if you are a consultant in say Virology there is probably a lot less.

I don’t want to go off on a tangent here but a friend of ours, despite working as many hours as he could in a bar, left Manchester uni with more than £42 k student debt and started work as a junior house officer and earned just over £22k for working more than 70 hours per week! He eventually became a surgeon and is now one of leading spinal specialists in the world……based in Australia -why -because the NHS management would neither pay him a proper salary nor support research. He objected to the whole idea of private practice believing that everyone had a right to the same treatment, in the same time frame in the same conditions which fairly blows out the inference that all doctors are unprincipled money grabbers. He once had his car clamped in Cardiff hospital car park when he had to rush into work in order to preform emergency surgery on a badly injured patient and despite his explanation still had to pay to have his car released. This is how we treat the cream of our medical profession. Then we wonder why they leave the country.

[Anthony72]

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Just 42K ?

Would be a lot more now