Prisoners

[jon1965]

Re: Prisoners

You think I am defending peoples actions whereas I am not. There are, in my opinion bad people, just as there are good people. Then there is everyone in-between . How many people can say they have never broken a law intentionally or not....gone through a red light, gone home with a pen from the office and forgotten to take it back. How many of us are guilty of judging people by appearance or accent .

What i am saying is that somewhere, somehow, society lost the plot and we allowed this to happen. How we fix it I do not know, support not judgement is probably a good idea. Tackling the root causes , drink, drugs, that now now mentality .
What i do know is that in the above example both people need help and I doubt very much that the state would be giving your hypothetical weed grower the help you suggest.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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ok.. but the point remains that these people are being glamourised and people feel awwwww poor thigs getting a raw deal.

Surely we should be dealing with the LAW ABIDING people first, and letting the criminals deal with themselves.

Oh and Leclerc.. its still £3.50 a week more than I am getting to pay for criminal damage as the poor love has to have his beer and fags.

[leclerc]

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If the sentences were adequate we wouldn't worry about reoffending
do we have the prisons to house them?

as for the £15 a week not paying for accommodation, I have never committed a crime yet worried about keeping a roof over my head, why worry about someone who has turned to a life of crime, surely we shod worry more about their victims?
because I assume you were relating the post to last night where one guy had £15 to find accommodation then where are they living when they are doing the apprenticeships you have suggested? If you want a prisoner not to reoffend then not housing that person when they are doing an apprenticeship will not help them since where are they to sleep?
Why should we worry about the victims when that is considered within the sentencing part of the case? The imprisonment is the sentence for the crime that has been committed.
also, for violent prisoners, I agree with Sapphy put em in the forces, train them to use the anger properly, and if they are caught with drugs/ booze in their blood, lock em up.... Simple.

we are talking about adults here if they chose to put that crap in themselves, why should I pay to let them do it??

If you do not help that person to rid themselves of the drugs then they may well seek to break into your house and take things to sell so that they can then feed their addiction. If you want them in jail you cannot lock them up for time immemorial and if you do not help them after they have served a sentence then they re offend and end up back in prison and so the vicious cycle continues in which victims see the perpetrator imprisoned and then a new victim is created because we have left the person who has served their time with no help or support and thereby created a new victim.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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You think I am defending peoples actions whereas I am not. There are, in my opinion bad people, just as there are good people. Then there is everyone in-between . How many people can say they have never broken a law intentionally or not....gone through a red light, gone home with a pen from the office and forgotten to take it back. How many of us are guilty of judging people by appearance or accent .

What i am saying is that somewhere, somehow, society lost the plot and we allowed this to happen. How we fix it I do not know, support not judgement is probably a good idea. Tackling the root causes , drink, drugs, that now now mentality .
What i do know is that in the above example both people need help and I doubt very much that the state would be giving your hypothetical weed grower the help you suggest.

my theoretical weed grower lives 2 doors down.

He gets full JSA, H/B and income support as one of his 7 kids and ex partner are his dependants.

We have the house 2 doors down raided on regular occasions, but he still goes off and gets his benefits when he comes out. He wants to be sent to a certain prison when he goes back in as they have Grand Theft Auto the newest, and its not IF its WHEN he goes back.

Forgive me if I dont seem at all interested in his financial needs, I have 3 kids to support without supporting his drinking and drug use, and he freely admits he doesnt need to work as he gets enough money "Off the social"

the best thing that could happen to him is to be made to work, to run out of money and have to go to a daily grind, not have his rent paid, not be able to afford his booze, and if he got caught with it, put in to the Forces to get sorted out, and learn a trade.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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If you do not help that person to rid themselves of the drugs then they may well seek to break into your house and take things to sell so that they can then feed their addiction. If you want them in jail you cannot lock them up for time immemorial and if you do not help them after they have served a sentence then they re offend and end up back in prison and so the vicious cycle continues in which victims see the perpetrator imprisoned and then a new victim is created because we have left the person who has served their time with no help or support and thereby created a new victim.

again, simple.

Nothing goes in, nothing comes out. Visitors can take NOTHING in to a prisoner (its a prison not a holiday camp) and anyone caught in possesion of drugs/drugs in the system is in solitary until the drugs wear off or the source of the drugs is found.

Why should we pay to supply people with illegal substances?

If upon release they are found to have drugs in their blood, a tour in the forces will straighen them out!

[leclerc]

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again, simple.

Nothing goes in, nothing comes out. Visitors can take NOTHING in to a prisoner (its a prison not a holiday camp) and anyone caught in possesion of drugs/drugs in the system is in solitary until the drugs wear off or the source of the drugs is found.

Why should we pay to supply people with illegal substances?
We are paying for treatment to stop the cycle of offending and effectively the cycle of new victims.
If upon release they are found to have drugs in their blood, a tour in the forces will straighen them out!

I was talking about being in prison as a drug addict and effectively doing cold Turkey but having no help on the outside so therefore going back to the cycle of crime.
Why would the army want to take someone who does not want to be in the army?

Have you guys been watching Private Benjamin too many time?

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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i can honestly say i have never seen it, but it gives me an idea for a thread.. nice one love!!!

[leclerc]

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i can honestly say i have never seen it, but it gives me an idea for a thread.. nice one love!!!

Having just watched the trailer I realise I got the wrong film, I meant Police Academy(the first one ).

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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AHH ive seen that one.. the dude who does the voices and sound effects, awesome!

[leclerc]

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AHH ive seen that one.. the dude who does the voices and sound effects, awesome!

[shell]

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Look atnext post, I missed the quote on this one. Sorry.

[shell]

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hence my agreement with putting em in the Forces.. nice warm place to sleep and a trade and respect at the end of the tour!!

Oh and the chance for them to get killed too. So for having a drink problem you are happy to send someone to their death?

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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i think conscription is a good idea.

If people are repeat offenders, then conscription is the answer, discipline a trade and having to follow rules.

[Inca]

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Oh and the chance for them to get killed too. So for having a drink problem you are happy to send someone to their death?

They are killing themselves anyway Shell,,and trust me...Death by Alcoholism is 1000 times worse than a bullet.

[Sapphire]

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Conscription doesn't have to mean going to war, it means going into one of the armed forces and being taught discipline, how to look after yourself and in a lot of cases where needed maturity, once they have completed the two or three year course they will be equipped to lead a better life, find a job or even start a business, settle down and behave as decent human beings, of course the opportunity should be given to those who enjoy the conscription to stay in the armed forces and only then would they be sent to places like Afghanistan, but it will of course be their own choice.
In fact I'd go as far as to suggest that anyone over the age of 18 who isn't working or in further education should go in too.