Prisoners

[jon1965]

Just watching BBC1 prisoners and I am not naive to believe everything the inmates say or what the producers are doing ...but it does make me wonder what has happened to this country and how the criminal justice system is a failure. Almost every case is drink and drugs related and then they kick them out with a few quid . Then there is no HB or JSA.

[leclerc]

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I'm watching news of the 3 bombs that have gone off in Boston, USA.....2 dead so far with 28 injured....likelihood is that deaths will go up.

[Inca]

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I watched the Prisoners programme.....
If they didn't do the crime they wouldn't have done the time and they have a choice about putting drink/drugs in their bodies.
I know a girl who did time recently and the prison welfare sorted her out a hostel place etc before her release,it was her first time in prison. After 42 stints in jail I don't see why the bloke on that programme should get everything handed to him time and again,,it's his fault his benefit claim gets closed etc ,he's choosing to offend.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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Fully agree with Inca.

You do the crime, and lose your benefits. I dont see why I should pay JSA to someone who is a serial offender.

Our justice system is failing because there are no deterants. Get banged up and have a warm room, regular meals, a tv and a play station! its like that joke email, Hijack a 747 and win a 4 bed home in Suffolk!!

sooner we stop seeing the sob stories and realise these people are wrong doers the better!

We need a system of Dont enjoy being in prision? Dont do the crime!!
Not getting the help you need cos you were in jail? Dont get sent there!!

[Sapphire]

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There's loads of uninhabited islands of Britain, stick them on there breaking rocks or whatever, a few tents, a primus stove and a food drop once a week should sort them out.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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you cant say that Sapphy. you might upset the little darlings, and they might get a cut finger!!

[jon1965]

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What appalled me was how they can release people from prison with just a few quid, then the rest of the system fails them in that they can not get access to emergency accommodation or food etc.
I am not talking about the punishment side of things here, i am talking about the rehabilitation side, that is part of the criminal justice system.
If someone is not provided any support is it any wonder that they resort to crime to survive. It's a bit different if your name is jeffrey archer and you have a home and a few million quid in the bank on your release

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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why should they be given a few quid, unless it was in their pockets to begin with?

You get a law abiding person made redundant, they are more often then not not eligible for a penny, despite never being in bother with the law. Or a relationship go sour, no benefits there.

Our students are being ripped off with student loans and are unable to find work, and they haven't been a blight to society, so why worry that someone who was stupid enough to commit a crime doesnt get money thrown at them?

if we lost all the "entertainment" in prison, and started a compulsary trade training, plumbing, building, mechanics etc, then they would have something to get a job and stop with the crime.

[wales01man]

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Lets move it back a step society must address the causes which turn people to crime one of these is education the system is failing some and needs to find ways to improve for those who need it ,
next prison should be a deterent a punishment not a jolly ride rehabilitation should come after the criminal has served time half the sentence inside the rest in a controlled environment secure if needed where they get a chance to learn and be prepared for the outside world.
we need tougher sentences for certain crimes and a rising scale of sentence for further offences
prison should be there to protect society from those who cant live like the rest uf us,as the saying says if you cant do the time dont do the crime

[Inca]

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I'm sorry but being locked up 42 times doesn't warrant 'rehab' or anything else,the bloke was an out and out thief,,he didn't want to earn a living legally,he wants to take what other folks have worked hard for and that's wrong on every level.
Says a lot for the way we treat prisoners when they blatantly say..'In here I get food 3 times a day,,a bed,,stuff to do and no bills to worry about' Hell,,one of them even tried to get re jailed in there !!
And as for drink/drug abusers...sorry but if they are clean when they get out of jail (which most won't be cos drugs seem to be readily available inside) and they choose to use again tough luck,they've made their bed,,they can lie in it.
If time in prison was made hard work instead of the holiday camp ethos perhaps our prisons wouldn't be so overcrowded and repeat offenders wouldn't be so bloody keen to get back in there.
First offence........prisons as they run now
Second offence.........hard labour that gets harder the more times they get jailed.

[jon1965]

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Wales , I agree, cause and effect. I am not sure when it started but somewhere it all went horribly wrong. Drugs and Alcohol are very much at the forefront of crime and of course when I was young it was so much harder to buy large quantities of alcohol and lets face it who could have stomached a whole Watneys Party 7

Of course if you believe MrsT there is no such thing as society

[Sapphire]

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At the end of the day its all about morals and consequences, no one seems to teach morals nowadays and most certainly never teaches the consequences if you get captured.

[wales01man]

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Jon
your showing your age Partysevens?
a distant memory for me turned teetotal now must have been awfukl stuff to drink

[jon1965]

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Party 7 , I wasn't old enough to drink but as you do used to sneak a glass . Awful stuff but I still went back for more.

[leclerc]

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why should they be given a few quid, unless it was in their pockets to begin with?

You get a law abiding person made redundant, they are more often then not not eligible for a penny, despite never being in bother with the law. Or a relationship go sour, no benefits there.

Our students are being ripped off with student loans and are unable to find work, and they haven't been a blight to society, so why worry that someone who was stupid enough to commit a crime doesnt get money thrown at them?

if we lost all the "entertainment" in prison, and started a compulsary trade training, plumbing, building, mechanics etc, then they would have something to get a job and stop with the crime.

I hate being Devil's advocate but Puff, are you really saying that you would have someone jailed for theft and drugs hired as a plumber? Would you really trust them? as others have said, if they have been in jail multiple times it does not look good on your CV. There are education programs in jails which is about the issue of rehabilitation of offenders.
The program yesterday, appeared to show that there is an issue of help once you have left the prison system because if you have no housing then you cannot get a job since you do not have an address.

I would add that for some prisoners, prison is the only routine that they have ever had in their life, similar to the army, that you have 3 square meals a day, and there is routine in their life due to their upbringing. Each individual is different so you cannot apply a standard approach to every person. Not every student does not turn to crime, and not everyone convicted returns to prison.