Prisoners

[Inca]

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Can't see the problem with a bit of Execution personally

[Inca]

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I am qualified to comment on prison life and it's nowhere near hard enough. The only reason my nephew didn't re offend is we removed him from his hometown away from all the bloody oiks he was hanging around with. Shoved him into a lifestyle he hated with people he didn't want to be with and, by his own admission, it's the best thing we ever did.
We went to see him in prison and he admitted that the only thing he couldn't do was walk out the door,other than that it was '3 hots and a cot' and anything he chose to participate in (workshops etc)

[FlamingParrot]

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Chicken egg, egg chicken

You say give them a job or train them...there are no bloody jobs. Manufacturing has gone to hell, mining is no more,

It's a fantastic idea but how do you do it.

Not even for people without criminal records! Not when many employers don't even want people like me with credit defaults! :mad2: If they find reasons to argue debtors are not suitable, they'll find many more against convicts, regardless of the crime!

Tell you what, lets just shoot em all...end of problem

Another option...forced labour camps....send anyone we don't like there

Anyone for Siberia?

Can't see the problem with a bit of Execution personally

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I am qualified to comment on prison life and it's nowhere near hard enough. The only reason my nephew didn't re offend is we removed him from his hometown away from all the bloody oiks he was hanging around with. Shoved him into a lifestyle he hated with people he didn't want to be with and, by his own admission, it's the best thing we ever did.
We went to see him in prison and he admitted that the only thing he couldn't do was walk out the door,other than that it was '3 hots and a cot' and anything he chose to participate in (workshops etc)

OK, I'm off to buy a gun and a balaclava, then it's on to my nearest bank! I just hope I get WiFi in my cell so I can post up my findings here.:typing:

[leclerc]

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have them trained in something useful then, dont give them benefits, give them an apprenticeship.. make them become worthwhile citezens.
Where are you going to house them when they get out and does £15 pay for accommodation when they are out doing their apprenticeships?
Again, the more we say oh.. their human rights have been taken away, the more we forget the human rights of those they wronged!
You may say that, I say that they have been found guilty and have been locked away in prison. You might call it a holiday camp but on the outside we have the choice to go down the pub and have a pint, go down the shop and buy tea when we run out. Prisoners, whether they have TV or not are still locked up and are effectively shut away for as long as 23 hours at a time.
They dont need benefits, they need employment, have them trained in a job while inside (rehabilitation see) and make them take a job, after all if they can tell a one legged Army vet you are fit for work, a lag who has never done an honest job in his life can work!
Who pays for their accommodation if they are homeless when they go into prison? What about the support work which deals with the complex issues of alcoholism and drug abuse? Would you hire an ex addict with perhaps only 3 months clean because they were in prison? Would you trust a drunk with a history of violence to work alongside law abiding apprentices? Would you have concerns?
No sympathy for repeat offenders, if you cant take the time, dont do the crime. Maybe if the benefits/help was stopped, and the sentancing stiffer people wouldn't be banged up in the first place, give the money you are giving criminals to the elderly/disabled instead.

How do we know that the first offence does not deserve a community sentence and I do not mean violent offenders either since society does need protection from violent offenders.

http://www.howardleague.org/key-issues/

Have a look at the Howard League for Penal reform website.

[Inca]

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There is no easy answer..and for every reason 'why' there is a 'why not'.
And FP,,I have already thrown my soul to the Devil by revealing I am for Capital Punishment ,,I'm going straight to Hell on a handcart.msl:

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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If the sentences were adequate we wouldn't worry about reoffending.

as for the £15 a week not paying for accommodation, I have never committed a crime yet worried about keeping a roof over my head, why worry about someone who has turned to a life of crime, surely we shod worry more about their victims?

also, for violent prisoners, I agree with Sapphy put em in the forces, train them to use the anger properly, and if they are caught with drugs/ booze in their blood, lock em up.... Simple.

we are talking about adults here if they chose to put that crap in themselves, why should I pay to let them do it??

[shell]

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While I believe that prison should be a fit punishment for the crime committed and that our justice system is too soft, at the same time what is the use of sending people back to nothing when they have nothing. Surely it would be a better investment to help them so that they don't reoffend? I watched the program too and was horrified that these men were sent out to sleep rough. Of course they are going to reoffend. You would too if the choice was a warm cell or sleeping rough in a british winter.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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hence my agreement with putting em in the Forces.. nice warm place to sleep and a trade and respect at the end of the tour!!

[Inca]

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The only one I had slight sympathy for WAS the fella slung out to nothing with nothing.He got on his toes and he made his life better for him and his son.
The druggie and the drinker I have zero sympathy for,,they didn't have to hit the bottle and the drugs again,,they were conscious choices.
I did chuckle at the one who tried to get back to Pentonville but got sent elsewhere and didn't like the new place,,at least he had a sense of humour.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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just out of interest, why are they making convicted criminals "celebreties"?

Surely it should be the people working there they concerntrate on, with felons faces blacked out and names bleeped.

Just what we need, "Commit a crime and end up on TV!"

Just an idea, make a TV show about worthwhile people, like firemen or soldiers..

[Inca]

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Because,,as we have proved in this thread,,prison life is an unknown quantity to the majority of people and it makes good telly. It's all about the ratings hun.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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to quote my Incs... it stinks!

[jon1965]

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Inca, you say that prison was easy. I knew someone (long since dead) who did time in both Glen Parva YOI and Leicester Prison. Guess which he said was easier....the prison

Just a thought to ponder over..why do AA say that once an alcoholic always an alcoholic and people still go to meetings 10 or 20 years on from starting recovery. Maybe people need help, not just in overcoming the physical addiction but it how to cope when things go wrong

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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Just a thought to ponder over..why do AA say that once an alcoholic always an alcoholic and people still go to meetings 10 or 20 years on from starting recovery. Maybe people need help, not just in overcoming the physical addiction but it how to cope when things go wrong

Or, Mr Drinker, age 50, lost his wife to another man, works when he can, when he cant he keeps his nose clean and makes ends meet. gets no benefit, is in threat of losing his home so he drinks more, no one is bothered about him

VS

Mr Convict, 28, drinks cos he can, arrested for growing with intent to supply, never done a decent days graft in his life, 5 kids to 4 women, doesnt pay for one of them, uses his JSA for more booze and drugs, last prison spell was for driving while stoned.
Gets full h/b JSA and help finding accomodation, cos the little darling has been inside, atm he is looking in to converting the loft cos his mate has a few plants he can have..

Shouldn't the circumstances be reversed?

[leclerc]

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Or, Mr Drinker, age 50, lost his wife to another man, works when he can, when he cant he keeps his nose clean and makes ends meet. gets no benefit, is in threat of losing his home so he drinks more, no one is bothered about him

VS

Mr Convict, 28, drinks cos he can, arrested for growing with intent to supply, never done a decent days graft in his life, 5 kids to 4 women, doesnt pay for one of them, uses his JSA for more booze and drugs, last prison spell was for driving while stoned.
Gets full h/b JSA and help finding accomodation, cos the little darling has been inside, atm he is looking in to converting the loft cos his mate has a few plants he can have..

Shouldn't the circumstances be reversed?

Only thing I was going to point out to you in regards to JSA is that if you have a child the CSA can deduct £5 per week for each child.
In fact being in prison is the one reason that you get a nil rate

https://www.gov.uk/how-child-mainten...support-agency