Labour are finished

[Berniethebolt]

Re: Labour are finished

My thoughts are that right now we have two right wing parties, both labour and the Conservatives are economically right of centre. New labour under Blair completely abandoned the notion of redistribution of wealth .

Maybe jeremy Corbyn is unelectable but with 54% in the first ballot it seems he has some support but maybe he might force labour to re engage with its core supporters. The problem is that in the words of Marx so many people have been lulled into false class consciousness . Thatcher rather cleverly persuaded 1000's of working class people that they were middle class by letting them buy, at a huge discount, their council house . Those same people now are looking down on the unemployed and sick as the underclass and scroungers taking their hard earned taxes from them . They do not think that the fact they had huge discounts on their council houses has contributed to the lack of affordable housing, lack of social housing and increase in the numbers of homeless which has become apparent just walking down the street.

I voted labour and will continue to , and the first question I ask anyone who complains about the state of the country is
1) Did you vote -if not shut up
2) Who did you vote for and if the answer is Tory then they only have themselves to blame

[judgemental24]

Re: Labour are finished

Fairplay to Royal Mail releasing this a day after corbyn election to attack the dark side of consevatism. We now have a credible oposistion

[wales01man]

Re: Labour are finished

The one vote that should always be counted is the one for NONE OF THE ABOVE then we would see the contempt the electorate hold for those who expect us to believe they will represent us

[FlamingParrot]

Re: Labour are finished

My thoughts are that right now we have two right wing parties, both labour and the Conservatives are economically right of centre. New labour under Blair completely abandoned the notion of redistribution of wealth .

Maybe jeremy Corbyn is unelectable but with 54% in the first ballot it seems he has some support but maybe he might force labour to re engage with its core supporters. The problem is that in the words of Marx so many people have been lulled into false class consciousness . Thatcher rather cleverly persuaded 1000's of working class people that they were middle class by letting them buy, at a huge discount, their council house . Those same people now are looking down on the unemployed and sick as the underclass and scroungers taking their hard earned taxes from them . They do not think that the fact they had huge discounts on their council houses has contributed to the lack of affordable housing, lack of social housing and increase in the numbers of homeless which has become apparent just walking down the street.

As much as I'd like to blame the Tories for everything including selling off the nation's social housing stock, this trend was continued by labour. :mmph: I know a few people who bought council properties at heavily discounted prices in the noughties and the Tories were not the ruling party at the time, nor were they in power when the banks ran riot and everyone with a bit of cash could get a BTL mortgage or 10.

I can see that if there were no landlords there would be nowhere for tenants to live so it's fair enough to have BTL mortgages but there are some outrageous cases, such as these guys: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-sale-go.html :scared: :scared: :scared:

A lot of former council properties have been snapped up by BTL investors who charge market rents for what was formerly social housing and given the dire shortage of social housing many HB tenants live in privately rented accommodation, meaning the councils now have to pay HB so people can live in the same properties they previously owned, only now most of the money goes back to the banks, since most landlords have mortgages and mortgage repayments do eat up most of the rent they receive. A very wise move indeed. :mad2: :rant: :mad2:

There are also landlords who seem to think no-one should let property to HB tenants:

Just had a quick glance at the case, there was an anonymity order hence AA instead of an actual name. Its very silly for anyone local authority or individual to destroy someone else's property. Nobody needs a judge to highlight that in any event a secure tenancy is very different from a lodger entering other peoples property. Yes social landlord like Housing Associations may have powers and staff to intimidate but unfortunately too often is the reverse the case with Male Housing Benefit tenants bullying their female landlords. Bottom line is for landlords need to rinse their hands from any Housing Benefit tenants!!!

[judgemental24]

Re: Labour are finished

It has been confirmed that their are 600,000 boarded up properties left to ruin, especially in he north of England. That is in addition to the buy to let and private investors just sitting on empty properties.

This is one of the areas i know Corbyn will tackle, social inequality. Whwen labour get back into power i have no doubt he will impose "Rent caps" to stimulate affordable housing. We did have rent controls/caps until the Tories remoed it and replaced with the Housing Act.

[wales01man]

Re: Labour are finished

When labour get back in power?

Corbyn will be long gone and returned to the back benches in 2 days since the result the split in the party has shown how disappointed some are in his election maybe he has the right ides for some but going to far left or right in politics doesn't win elections

[judgemental24]

Re: Labour are finished

He has just won an election with 60% of the vote on half a million voters spilit right accross the political devide. He has only been in the job a few days. People mellow as they get older, i myself was very millitant in my younger days like most of us were. At least give the man a chance before you start to write him off. Let him make his own mistakes, not on what might be. Judge a man on his deeds, not media hype.

We can all rejoyce at the moment as we now have an opposistion, not a clone tory party

[wales01man]

Re: Labour are finished

A respected LB member in the past had been forecasting that before the last election Cameron would fall from grace due to a scandal did it happen?
The polls predicated a hung Parliament with Lib Dems back in power last election?

Now we are expected to believe that Corbyn will be next PM lets see in time what happens

[judgemental24]

Re: Labour are finished

Corbyn weill be elected PM on the decision of the electorate, not Polls or the media.

Corbyn will not be PM, but he is exactly what labour needs at this moment to unite the party and get back to their core, not Blairite values.

[wales01man]

Re: Labour are finished

Blairite values gave them power for 13 years will Corbyn

[judgemental24]

Re: Labour are finished

Yet those Blairite polices are now despised by the majority of labour supporters , and the country as a whole.

The Status Quo is now at an end, it has cost the labour party the last two General elections, things had to change

[Berniethebolt]

Re: Labour are finished

FP
I know I have blamed the Tories but I do not claim that New Labour are blameless, in fact in my opinion they are just slightly most Tories in disguise, not even wet tories (for those of us old enough to remember the wets under the monster thatcher.
I am also appalled that some of the people who have said they will not serve on a Corbyn led front bench , well why don't they just show their true colours and bugger off to the Tory party.

Did anyone read that dreadful piece by Sam Bowman
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jeremy-corb...p-poor-1519216

The man really has no idea about inequality . He talks about the majority getting the diagram of the make up of society wrong although 40% of brits got it right. Well with the exception of the coalition (and that is a whole different debate but over 50% voted for either Tory or Lib Dem) we have not had a government that was voted for by the majority.

If as the title of the thread suggests Labour are finished and i do not believe that I foresee revolution at some point . If the Tories continue getting into power the inequalities will get worse and worse and at some point people will wake up and we will be back to direct action .

[Turboman]

Re: Labour are finished

Hmm---wonder who'll be the most dominant--Tom Watson or Jerry?

[FlamingParrot]

Re: Labour are finished

Labour lost all credibility during the New Labour days when they were worse than some Tories like John Major; people just kept voting for them because they didn't want another grey PM like Major nor another Iron Lady type. :decision: Thanks to their failings we are now left with a far right government intent in pushing this country further and further west until it becomes just an outer suburb of Manhattan! In fact we are almost there.

For those out there who dream of a country without welfare state, where if you don't have work or money you live on the street till you starve to death, etc. there are many suitable destinations, most of them are also much warmer and sunnier than here. It's called The Third World.

[Turboman]

Re: Labour are finished

Think "across the political divide" might be a tad generalizing...

He has just won an election with 60% of the vote on half a million voters spilit right accross the political devide(..across the half a million die-hard labour voters). He has only been in the job a few days. People mellow as they get older, i myself was very millitant in my younger days like most of us were. At least give the man a chance before you start to write him off. Let him make his own mistakes, not on what might be. Judge a man on his deeds, not media hype.

We can all rejoyce at the moment as we now have an opposistion, not a clone tory party