Simon Binner: Terminally ill man announces death on LinkedIn

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You want to try her cooking, I live life on the edge every day.

[Amethyst]

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[Fred]

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I have to admit................it is the "humour" in human nature that keeps us going in the face of adversity.

It is also the "missing ingredient" in self destructive debate.

[Berniethebolt]

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I have to admit................it is the "humour" in human nature that keeps us going in the face of adversity.

It is also the "missing ingredient" in self destructive debate.

Sometimes its a case of laugh or cry

[Fred]

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Sometimes its a case of laugh or cry


Indeed.......................moreover I like to cry laughing.

[PAWS]

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The Shipman case did tighten up prescription regulations and the amount and nature of drugs that can be carried by GPs or other primary care professionals. The level of care that is relevant in this case is usually administered in a clinical or hospital environment which was ‘less’ of an issue. Although the Shipman enquiry also affected home palliative care it did not restrict the amount of opiates used to such a level as to cause unnecessary suffering. It just made medical staff more accountable, tightened up dispensing practice, stopped self-prescribing etc. If you want to really ‘knock yourself out’ (no pun intended) then I would recommend you read the following two articles -

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...04.04116.x/pdf
http://www.pharmaceutical-journal.co...011073.article
Now I did say I wouldn’t roll around in the dirt but I cannot ignore this comment.

Don't let the door hit you on the arse as you leave

If the door does hit [MENTION=70489]judgemental24[/MENTION] on the arse on the way out at least he won’t be talking out of it! This comment may mean I have to leave myself but I am getting a little tired of this sort of bitching.

[enaid]

Re: Simon Binner: Terminally ill man announces death on LinkedIn

Sometimes its a case of laugh or cry


Indeed.......................moreover I like to cry laughing.

Me too, I just have to be careful where the tears come from.

[Goodneighbor]

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A sad and uninformed decision. This decision presumes that there can be no divine healing. No afterlife or giving account to God. And no God at all. But since I have been studying these issues I am finding evidence to the contrary. Please Simon go and do ur homework before continuing on this path. I appeal to Simon to please get in touch urgently and benefit from my studies. I can show you those who got healed and what they did. The life is not ours to terminate whenever we want. God giveth and God taketh away.

[PAWS]

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Well, good neighbour not only do many of us respect your opinion and faith we may also envy it. I have been to Lourdes and have seen what faith can do. However, I have also seen the catastrophic consequences of a strong faith. Accepting God’s will may be easy for some but you must allow for those who do not have that level of faith or interpret God’s will in the same way. Faith is a very personal thing. We could argue God’s will or indeed his very existence forever. I do not think this man is uninformed as the decision he came to was based on his own personal experience and knowledge of his illness. He may not know much about the divine power to heal but if he did there is no guarantee he would believe it. One can teach people about one’s own beliefs or church’s interpretation of the bible but you can never teach people to have the same faith. No matter what the theologians tell us we honestly do not know whether God’s intervention only occurs when one has the knowledge to ask for it.
For many years organised religions would not allow suicides to be buried in consecrated ground. Although this is no longer the case taking one’s own life is still considered a sin by Christians and yet, I personally believe that these people need our love, respect and indeed prayers. This man will have the support and love of his friends and family. He has loved and is loved. Even if one never opened a bible or prayer book that is the true essence of religion.
This is not an easy decision for him to make. He may not be able to recite the 10 commandments nor quote passages from the testaments but I am sure he has his own code of morality and standards. Many may not agree with his decision for numerous reasons but it is his decision to make and I honestly do not think we can judge him. After all, did not God give us free will?

[FlamingParrot]

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Well, good neighbour not only do many of us respect your opinion and faith we may also envy it. I have been to Lourdes and have seen what faith can do. However, I have also seen the catastrophic consequences of a strong faith. Accepting God’s will may be easy for some but you must allow for those who do not have that level of faith or interpret God’s will in the same way. Faith is a very personal thing.

Very true, PAWS, not everyone believes in God and those who do, may believe in different versions of 'God'. Even those who have believed all their lives may well have their faith tested when confronted with a long, drawn-out terminal illness. In the old days a lot of legal principles and rules were derived from religious beliefs and that's still the case in some countries (such as Sharia law), however, we can't really have a legal system based on religious beliefs or faith simply because not everyone belongs to the same faith or has the same beliefs.

This is a legal site rather than a religious group and we are here to discuss the legal implications of decisions like that, government policy and legislation in different countries (such as UK vs Switzerland), rather than the spiritual side of things which is a very personal view and we'd never reach an agreement if we started going in that direction. :argue::fencing:

[MissFM]

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This is a legal site rather than a religious group and we are here to discuss the legal implications of decisions like that, government policy and legislation in different countries (such as UK vs Switzerland), rather than the spiritual side of things which is a very personal view and we'd never reach an agreement if we started going in that direction. :argue::fencing:

I doubt that all of us are even in internal agreement on the moral and spiritual issues - I certainly remain conflicted.

On the legal question, though, I passionately believe that the law against deliberately extinguishing a human life (exept in immediate self defence or the defence of another) should remain intact in this country. All man-made laws have unintended consequences; legalising human voluntary euthanasia could make way for an ideology wherein it was seen as the "decent" thing to do for anyone requiring extraordinary care, or who's health situation is irretrievable, to exit this life as swiftly as possible to spare loved ones.

Many, whatever they might have said or believed when well, do "rage against the dying of the light" when it comes to it.

As has also been pointed out, many (most?) people with an agonising terminal illness do, in fact, die of an overdose of diamorphine, presented as a side effect of pain relief. The courts have, I believe, been known to show compassion and some leniency in cases where "mercy killing" (in the perceved interests of the deceased) has been established beyond reasonable doubt.

IMO at least, extreme scrutiny and robust laws should remain. Mistakes and misjudgements can't be rectified.

The message to people with profound disabilities and those who love and care for them would become even more chilling - ask any parent who's spotted an unwelcome DNR order in their disabled child's hospital notes, (or, indeed, any child who's seen the same at the end of their ageing parent's bed). I do appreciate that the last is a slightly different point, but nothing should undermine the duty of the medical profession to preserve and nurture human life, to do no harm, as a legal principle.

[Berniethebolt]

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As someone with no belief and sees all organised religion as nothing more than a way of controlling the population I passionately believe that we as individuals have the right to decide when we no longer wish to live . I am however conflicted in that we must also prevent the possibility of people being coerced into suicide . In some countries it is legal to assist a suicide indeed in Belgium it is legal under certain circumstances to give that lethal injection that will end someone's life.
In this country it is accepted , as I have said before , that so long as the over riding intention is that of managing pain there is no crime committed if someone dies of the treatment .

I accept that some people hold a deep faith and if that gets them out of bed in the morning and gives them a moral code to live by who am I to tell them not to,. My objections are when peoples lives are negatively impacted by religion be it Muslims, Jews, Christians , or whatever.

I feel nothing but sadness that Simon Binner felt he had no choice but to end his life earlier than he would have wished to save his family the possibility of prosecution for aiding him at a time he could not manage to complete the act himself

[Fred]

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I do not think this is "ending anything early" it reads to me more like a plan to prevent unnecessary suffering, brave fellow he is.

[Celestine]

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Rest in Peace - Simon Binner

He died in Switzerland earlier today.

[MissFM]

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Post removed in view of Celestine's above. Rest in Peace. x