Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirror O

[MIKE770]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Corporate Man slaughter ?

[FlamingParrot]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Its the Corporate world that rules our lives !

Only if you let them!

Use them like they use you, that's my motto. :grin: :grin: :grin:

[wales01man]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Who gives large an=mounts of money to the Conservative party that are at the moment ruling us the big Corporations and the ones that own them.
Until we can have an electoral system that rids us of the Coruption that is Party Contributions enabling the Money men to rule the Politicians we will be ultimately ruled by The Corporate World

[Mrs Constant Worry]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

It is so sad and tragic and my thoughts are with his family. I read Johnboy007 words and I, as some of you know, worry myself to the extent debt is in my head all the time now and it is not even mine personally. So John's words do ring very true and FP words are also correct - but - we are all made differently.

I worked for two bosses who didn't care about others they were out for themselves - guess what I was the book-keeper. The last one was was the final straw for me and I changed career. He wore his pin striped suit six foot plus and could offer Inland Rev cups of tea when they were chasing £ss and got away with it. I once asked him why he doesn't have a rotating sign above the building so changing company names would be easier. As for the VAT - out of the country - sorry can't help. Basically I couldn't take it anymore and practically had a breakdown - wasn't even my company!!! So some of us can cope and some of us, like me, take it on board literally. By the way the are both still around doing 'their thing' at other people's expense. In fact one of them said to me, when the administrators were out of the office, -

'When the dust settles I must treat myself to a new car. People are so kind they have been shaking my hand and saying how sorry they are that the company has gone down. So 'kid' you and I are out of a job but I have the new headed paper ready and the name of the new company is.... so we will be back working together ASAP'. I told him where to go - not for me. These people have the ability to separate themselves from reality or something!!!!

That poor man......

[Celestine]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Also, sadly, this phenomenon disproportionately affects men. Seemingly 'debt' is one of the highest factor in male deaths, peaking in the 30s & 40s.

I stumbled across this rather wonderful website a few weeks ago:

https://www.thecalmzone.net

CALM stands for Campaign Against Living Miserably!!

[Celestine]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Scum.

And the FCA is worried that if they clamp down too hard on Payday Lenders then people will turn to loan sharks.... sometimes it's hard to spot the difference.

And a very warm welcome to Debt Camel who runs another fantastic website ........not about Camels Just like we're not REALLY about Beagles...sorry if anyones disappointed at that revelation!!

http://debtcamel.co.uk

[meellis]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Even in this day of equality it is hard for men to shake off the natural feeling that they should be the bread winner, hunter/gatherer, provider, call it what you will it is deep in the male form hence they feel more of a failure when it happens and it is probably why they keep it to themselves more. My brother who is married with kids has a completely different outlook on it than me being single and still at home. But everybody is different, I cant understand how some people can sit around doing nothing day in day out because they don't receive much more for working and they probably can't understand why I work hard for not much more. I get really down with the position I am in at times but I get more depressed when I realise the position I have put others into. A brief respite from these feelings come when I realise how I am not all too blame for my position but sometimes when I see it is only me that is getting punished the dark clouds reappear. It is terrible that people feel suicidal, my granddad committed suicide when I was a toddler so I know how it affects families hence why I could never contemplate it myself. My thoughts go out to the family, there might have been more factors involved but it all adds up.

[wales01man]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Wondered why there was no posts about Beagles oh well u learn something every day

[PAWS]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Corporate Man slaughter?

Mike; I love it! By the way Celestine, that is a good site.
There are many people who need professional medical help because they feel suicidal but a huge number of people who look for help from suicide (some organisations prefer the term ‘self-murder’) sites are burdened by debt and assume they have no rights or without the money for a crack legal team will never win. Because ofthe confidential nature of such organisations specific feedback is seldom given but I do know that some people in complete despair were able to recover because Legal Beagles gave them the opportunity to fight and took away the shame and feeling of failure.
Many of us have spent our lives assuming that people in authority, especially bankers (feel free to apply rhyming slang) are gods who cannot be challenged. They played Golf with the local Solicitor, the JP, the local MP and the big business men. They were assumed to be above suspicion and certainly could never be accused of any wrong doing. They held the power. I grew up thinking the same of Priests and Nuns. We believed that not only did they control our lives but they decided what happened to us after we died as well!
Boy; how wrong was I!!!!!!!!!
Now the shift in power might be slow but look how many successes have been reported on here in the last few days. And it’s getting better every day!
Meellis, it is hard not to feel like that at times. You are only human. We do expect too much from ourselves. It is also very hard to continue to struggle financially when you are working your guts out and those who succeed are the ones who think manual labour is a Spanish Guitarist. As you know by looking around this site most of us have hit that hard floor at least once in our lives but it does get better. You are not despised or hated and you have a clear conscience unlike all those b*****ds that we fight daily. My friend is a doctor and she has seen a few people die. Not one of them wanted to be surrounded by their possessions or bank accounts at the end.
For anyone out there who feels fed up, here is a cuddle. :_tighthug__by_darkm Don’t get too excited as you do not know what I look like!

[Sparkie1723]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

I must admit that the issues we have with our Swift Advances plc secured loan and then losing against Balck Horse in the County Court....I did think of this way out for short period of time...an opening in my armour appeared.....luckily my Aries star sign qualities took over and it went away..but I can understand how and why people do take their own lives over debt that has gone out of control ...which is not completly all their fault.........the frustration, and anger, coupled with the feeling of hopelessnes .....this I can tell you is a fight on its own it takes you over and puts you in a finely balanced situation...and it can tip either way.....that is a big problem.

Sparkie

[Johnboy007]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Only if you let them!

Use them like they use you, that's my motto. :grin: :grin: :grin:

If everyone was as strong in their minds as you are, my friend.
Then what a different world it would be.
Sadly, this is not the case.
The family of Ian ****** will bear testimony to this fact.

[Johnboy007]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Also, sadly, this phenomenon disproportionately affects men. Seemingly 'debt' is one of the highest factor in male deaths, peaking in the 30s & 40s.

I stumbled across this rather wonderful website a few weeks ago:


https://www.thecalmzone.net

CALM stands for Campaign Against Living Miserably!!

Well Boss Lady, is it because we men have a reputation to live up too?
We are supposed to be tough. Tough enough to defend our family, come what may, whatever is thrown at us.
We are expected to be able to provide food, shelter and protection, for our women and for our children.
And we would all be experts at this, except for the barriers we have to face and climb over in our lifetime.
Money, is the biggest barrier of all.
The corporate companies only survive because of money. Without it, they are nothing.
They will stop at nothing to satisfy their shareholders and their greed.
Drug dealers make sure that their victims rely on the drugs, so that they in turn can rely on their own addiction for wealth.
Most demands for money are made to the male species.
The male is overall, the major breadwinner.
Unfortunately, we cannot foresee calamities that may occur in the future.
Job loss or sickness.
A man can, and often does, change from a strong and decent provider, to a scared, desperate and hopeless wreck of his former self.

[Mrs Constant Worry]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

I actually posted this yesterday I think it was -

Oh! Amethyst - thank you for sharing this with me. Do you think it is harder for a man? My son puts on the brave face but I see him as a duck with his feet going like mad below the water level. Then when he gets caught in a net - he has to act but often too late maybe or just manages to wriggle free.

Our son turned to drink and I was told another option had been thought of but fortunately friends stepped in. He is Aries so ..... did it help him Sparkie? It was a terrible time and now with the help of LB I hope we can help him move forward again.

Update: Reading Johnboy007 post. I quote' A man can be changed from a strong and decent provider, to a scared, desperate and hopeless wreck of his former self.'

I saw that happen but it was all happening under the water and when he came up for air - it was drink. It was a very lonely place he didn't want to share it with us because of my serious health diagnosis, my treatment and his pride. But the problem was there and some maybe just find that place too unbearable as poor Ian ****** found.

[Johnboy007]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

I actually posted this yesterday I think it was -

Oh! Amethyst - thank you for sharing this with me. Do you think it is harder for a man? My son puts on the brave face but I see him as a duck with his feet going like mad below the water level. Then when he gets caught in a net - he has to act but often too late maybe or just manages to wriggle free.

Our son turned to drink and I was told another option had been thought of but fortunately friends stepped in. He is Aries so ..... did it help him Sparkie? It was a terrible time and now with the help of LB I hope we can help him move forward again.

Update: Reading Johnboy007 post. I quote' A man can be changed from a strong and decent provider, to a scared, desperate and hopeless wreck of his former self.'

I saw that happen but it was all happening under the water and when he came up for air - it was drink. It was a very lonely place he didn't want to share it with us because of my serious health diagnosis, my treatment and his pride. But the problem was there and some maybe just find that place too unbearable as poor Ian ****** found.

My heart goes out to you Mrs Constant Worry.
Yes it does happen 'under water' most times.
Firstly, we have to protect our loved ones. This is the number one priority.
If hiding the truth is what needs to be done, then we men will do it.
Desperation forces us to take drastic steps, including lies and deceit.
We turn to whatever means of escape is available to us, drink and drugs being just two.
But try as we might, we cannot escape the truth. It is always there, and it has always been there.
We just did not want to acknowledge it.
The humiliation and shame of not being able to protect and provide for your loved ones, rears it's ugly head.
Desperate people do desperate things.
Ian ****** did just that.
I hope Mrs Constant Worry, that your dear son will open up to you.
It needs this in order to move forward.

[Mrs Constant Worry]

Re: Man who killed himself over £20,000 payday loan debt ‘started owing £100s’ – Mirr

Thank you Johnboy - your words are so true. He had never worked for anyone since leaving school and then suddenly found himself finally having to sign on after 25 years - would not do it for two years he was too proud and would not admit he had come to a full stop - hence we can guess where the money came from. He has had so many job applications and no replies. When interviewed it was how would you cope being that you will not be the boss, etc. BUT - finally managed to get an employer to take him on - of course not being the boss is not easy - they are certainly getting good value for money which is a pittance for his skills but he has stuck to it. He is working today and not in a pub.xx

I am proud of him, whatever happens, to have got to the 'place' he is now and I think the opening up has started. I am scared at what I will hear ££££ but I keep saying to myself think back to how it was.