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  • #31
    Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

    ok so technical support rang me to talk about dismantling my socket.

    I said you obviously didn't read my email regarding this, its not going to happen. End of.

    He became agitated and said that only BT offer wireless outside my home, no one else does.. what earthly good is that to me when my nearest wifi hotspot is 12 miles away and the internet keeps cutting out in my home?!?
    Again he didn't like it when I asked him that one.
    Said it was a benefit that BT offered.

    When I asked him if I had actually USED this benefit, he coulndn't comment.

    I reiterated that no BT engineer had attended my property in the last 10 years, and he said "Oh yes they did!" I asked for the engineer's name. I cant know that, DPA.
    I said ok, then the date, because the only way they have got in is breaking and entering, as I have never let a BT engineer in to my property!

    The line went quiet, and he then said he is entitled to charge me £99 if an engineer comes out, as the line rental DOES NOT cover maintainence.

    I said I would go to OFCOM regarding it, as I think it is disgraceful, and was told he was closing the complaint as rectified. I told him it wasnt rectified at all. I was not satisfied and I requires a letter of stalemate.

    This was refused, so... I did something a bit naughty. I said I was cooking and he would have to call back.

    He rang me back an hour later, and the first words I said were "This call is being recorded and is on speaker for a 3rd party to listen to."

    Surprisingly he agreed, an outage at the exchange would cause an error message on any line, and no they did not check before doing a line test. He also agreed that I could have a letter of stalemate and yes, i did pay for a contract that includes wireless, but I do not pay for the wireless itself (you explain that one to me I have no idea)

    He also admitted that the BT help page does say they are aware McAfee security does not work with windows 7 etc, and that the advisors are actively promoting it without finding out about the O/S you are running!!

    I am still looking in to who to report the whole idea of tampering with a phone socket, and he is ringing me again "Once I have thought about it" to talk me through dismantling it.

    He can ring me every day for a year, I am NOT doing it.

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    • #32
      Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

      as the line rental DOES NOT cover maintainence.


      GET HIM TO PUT THAT IN WRITING

      I SPEAK TO BT ENGINEERS ALL THE TIME (UNION CAPACITY) AND IF TRUE, I WILL BE REQUESTING A REBATE ON MY LINE RENTAL

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      • #33
        Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

        I will ask for a deadlock letter, with the fact that I will be expected to repair my own line, that my rental does not cover an engineer and that I pay for wireless broadband that I dont pay for!

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        • #34
          Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

          this an old post jumping back to life, lol!!
          The reason they ask you to unscrew the face plate is thus;
          As the socket is a mechanical joint, it may encounter high usage, thus can fail with costant un-plugging plugging etc. Now BT bless e'm, were clever cats and produced a socket within a socket, which basically eliminated line faults. If your face-plate has broken down because it's been kicked, worn out or whatever, there is still a connection behind the plate to prove the line. The risk of electric shock by removing the front plate is zero, as the equipment is designed to an IP RATING, which excludes the consumer to "be in physical contact with any extrenuous conductors or mechanical devices that could cause injury".
          Now bearing in mind that if you remove a BT plate, you would find that it basically plugs into another plate behind it, demonstrates that they feel confident that consumers cannot be injured. As Bill has stated, the voltage does vary, and a fine consideration should be paid to "ohm's law". Without quoting, it is not the voltage that has a diverse effect, but the current generated.....it is, in fact, current that kills, not voltage.
          The reason they are doing this is simple;
          With the amount of ISP'S available and the amount of boxes being un-plugged has cost them a fortune. They will only guarantee the line up to the box....hence their test facillity....by requesting the consumer to carry out this operation is a cost saving exercise, as they can't cope with the amount of complaints generated by customers calling in because their BB isn't working.


          Hope this helps....

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          • #35
            Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

            I still think its wrong to insist a person does this themselves when they charge line rental too.

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            • #36
              Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

              http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/lvd/

              The voltage that a BT switch generates is to accomodate something called "volt drop".

              http://cse-distributors.co.uk/cable/voltage-drop.htm

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              • #37
                Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                thanks for the link hun but im a bit fik,

                a lightbulb works cos the little man in the bulb gets a shock when the switch goes on. Thats the limit of my knowledge of electricity! all I know is, I have had a belt off a faulty phone socket before now and I aint having another one!! I did a self service (more cost cutting) phone test online, no landline issues (no upgrade taking place either) so.. its not the landline!

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                • #38
                  Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                  puff...
                  i fully appereciate you may have had a "belt".
                  One consideration that has to be taken into account is that it may have been a "static" belt. Waz you on the way to bed in your bri-nylon nightie, love? Your slippers could also collect static which, in contact with a good source of "earth", such as a return codutor within the tepephone cable, would enable "you" to becme a passage for the "current, not voltage!" to return to its source....


                  I have had 415 volts straight across me and my knackersss......lol. that was one mother of a belt.

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                  • #39
                    Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                    we had some muppet put a metal ladder up at fenchurch street station, couldnt understand why i told them to put it down with a Overhead Line about 8 feet from their heads!!

                    electricity scares me, i admit it, i take the kids out if Mr R starts doing anything incase they distract him and we all go BANG!

                    if it was left to me we would still have carrier pigeons and candles!

                    I just think there should be the option of a free engineer to come out and sort problems for people who are not happy with this idea, and the elderly!

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                    • #40
                      Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                      people keep on about this issue but the truth is

                      BT ARE RESPONSABLE UP TO AND INCLUDING THE JUNCTION BOX (master socket in the premises)

                      you are not an engineer or trained in telecommunications , if you damage the socket in any way or move a wire out of position

                      BT WILL CHARGE YOU FOR IT

                      thats is from a BT engineer for open reach (union rep) who i have just phoned for advice

                      BT are providing a contractual service and are responsable for providing that service

                      if their is a fault, at no cost to the subscriber

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                      • #41
                        Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                        ty millitant

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                        • #42
                          Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                          Originally posted by miliitant View Post
                          people keep on about this issue but the truth is

                          BT ARE RESPONSABLE UP TO AND INCLUDING THE JUNCTION BOX (master socket in the premises)

                          you are not an engineer or trained in telecommunications , if you damage the socket in any way or move a wire out of position

                          BT WILL CHARGE YOU FOR IT

                          thats is from a BT engineer for open reach (union rep) who i have just phoned for advice

                          BT are providing a contractual service and are responsable for providing that service

                          if their is a fault, at no cost to the subscriber
                          BT are responsible for the cable and the socket ( the master socket behind the face-plate where your telephone point enters your property.If you are using a BT line, and say subscibed to sky broad-band, their technical will ask you to do exactly the same.remove the face-plate and use the test socket. Many ISP'S now send their routers via the post for self-installation..... saves money on engineers and passes the buck.

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                          • #43
                            Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                            never been asked to do this by any company but bt.

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                            • #44
                              Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                              Most hardware is BT Openreach, It will only be them that asks you to do it.
                              'I don't see why everyone depends on me. I'm not dependable. Even I don't
                              depend on me, and I'm me.'

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                              • #45
                                Re: BT's dangerous suggestion.

                                Originally posted by brummie View Post
                                BT are responsible for the cable and the socket ( the master socket behind the face-plate where your telephone point enters your property.If you are using a BT line, and say subscibed to sky broad-band, their technical will ask you to do exactly the same.remove the face-plate and use the test socket. Many ISP'S now send their routers via the post for self-installation..... saves money on engineers and passes the buck.

                                yes, but that is another get out clause by BT/THIRD PARTY PHONE COMPANY phone mokeys use, the fact is the likes of sky,talk talk etc etc rent the lines off the BT exchange, open reach charge these third party companies to maintain the lines and exchanges. that was why open reach was set up from BT ONCE THE TELEPHONE MANOPOLY WAS DEREGULATED

                                OPEN REACH IS STILL A BT GROUP COMPANY

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