Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

[catsbaehr]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

Thanks Tools, we're not really expecting to get the money back, just trying all avenues.

Will call TSB today.

Many thanks

I've just fallen foul of this scam on ebay.

Googling similar scams - they all involve a name of Polish Origin

"Lukasz Dzwonkowski", " 'Angus' Tomas Fabjanczuk", "Maciek Czarnecki"
- and unusually the destination account number seems to be an anagram of itself.

e.g. 00475168, 00451768, 00461568

The TSB branch appears to be in Nottingham

[Tools]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

Thanks for that, I have sent you an email message

[dixie2013]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31753934

6 March 2015 Last updated at 12:23

Dozens arrested in cybercrime 'strike week'



One raid led to the arrest of a man thought to be involved with an attack on Yahoo in 2012

The UK's National Crime Agency has arrested 56 suspected hackers as part of a "strike week" against cybercrime.
In total, 25 separate operations were carried out across England, Scotland and Wales.
Those arrested are suspected of being involved in a wide variety of cybercrimes including data theft, fraud and virus writing.
One raid the BBC witnessed targeted a man suspected of involvement in a 2012 hack attack on web giant Yahoo.
Stolen data The week-long series of operations was co-ordinated by the NCA's National Cyber Crime Unit (NCCU) as well as specialist officers from regional organised crime squads and the Metropolitan Police.
West Midlands police arrested a 23-year-old man in Sutton Coldfield who is believed to have been involved in breaking into the network of the US defence department in June 2014.
The biggest operation saw the arrest of 25 people in London and Essex suspected of using the net to steal money, launder cash and carry out other frauds.

Steve Brown from the National Crime Agency describes one of the raids

The hackers behind that attack stole contact information for about 800 people and data on the network's internal architecture was also pilfered.

Eyewitness: Rory Cellan-Jones, Technology correspondent I was with one of the teams from the National Crime Agency as they carried out an arrest this week at a flat in north London. One group had tracked the suspect, a 21-year-old student, all the way back from university 40 minutes away.
The arrest had some of the drama of a classic police operation - "Go! Go! Go!" came the command over the walkie-talkie as we approached the suspect's flat. But no doors were kicked in, and there were no shouts of "You're nicked!" The priority was to make sure any computers were seized before they could be shut down or their data encrypted.
Teams arrived with equipment to gather data, and found a laptop and a desktop computer, both of them online. One officer was employed simply keeping her finger on the laptop's trackpad to make sure it didn't go to sleep. Later, police cyber-specialists would spend many hours examining exactly what was on the two computers.

The action also resulted in the arrest of people thought to be part of some well-known hacking groups.
In Leeds, a suspected member of the Lizard Squad group was arrested, and in London a 21-year-old man was taken into custody on suspicion of being part of the D33Ds Company hacking collective.
The D33Ds group is believed to have been behind a 2012 attack on Yahoo that stole more than 400,000 email addresses and passwords subsequently published online.
Phishing gangs Investigations about suspects in Sutton Coldfield, Leeds and Willesden were aided by forensic information provided by the FBI.
The other actions targeted alleged phishing gangs, intellectual property thieves, users of financial malware, companies that offer hosting services to crime groups, and many people who took part in so-called DDoS [distributed denial of service] attacks in an attempt to knock websites offline.
One 21-year-old man from County Durham allegedly knocked out the Police Scotland website mounting such a DDoS attack.
"Criminals need to realise that committing crime online will not render them anonymous to law enforcement," said Andy Archibald, deputy director of the NCCU.
"It's imperative that we continue to work with partners to pursue and disrupt the major crime groups targeting the UK."
In addition, this week the NCA coordinated visits to 70 firms to inform them about how vulnerable their servers were to attack and how they could be used by cyberthieves to send out spam or act as proxies for other attacks.
The strike week also involved four forces setting up pop-up shops to give advice to the public about staying safe online and to get their devices checked to make sure they are free of malware and other digital threats.

[Tools]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

Yes Dixie, great news indeed.

I have been speaking with the lead FALCON investigator this morning and there are actually more arrests than published.

Without going into too much detail, be assured there is lots going on in the background here, at the banks and with the Police/NCA. There will be more similar news to come in the following weeks regarding arrests already made.

[cushtyguy]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

NEVER part with your hard earned before you've seen, HPI'd and tested the vehicle.
I've been looking for a motorhome for a while now and come across at least a dozen of these scammers - I can't believe how many of you have fallen for it !
Google the name of the 'delivery company' and search the internet for images they send you.
If it looks too good to be true it probably is.

[Tools]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

As I said in my message to you, a HPI check is no guarantee against fraud. The vehicle always checks out ok, problem is the scammer doesn't have the vehicle to sell. ALWAYS go see the vehicle in person and #touchthemetal .

[Guest]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

As half-expected, the arrests seem to have made very little difference as far as online vehicle fraud is concerned (on eBay UK, anyway). The only difference of note was an absence of huge multi-scams (often 120 vehicles or more) but as far as individual scams are concerned, it was very much business as usual at the weekend, with new scams being posted on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. It all looked very normal.

[Helenann73]

Re: Barclays and vehicle scam via ebay and gumtree

Unfortunately, I have also just been scammed for vw t5 transporter on gumtree, with all the same info you have gave. Unbeknown to me I didnt realise ebay/paypal didn't have protection for buying vans/cars. Hopefully this will be dealt with, and this bastard gets caught.

This scam has been doing the rounds for a few months.

Vehicle advertised as London but upon contact they say that for work they have moved to Scotland and vehicle not available for viewing (well who from the south east will travel that far for a 2-4 k vehicle?)
They then say that they can accept payment via Paypal/Ebay etc. They also state that you are protected by Ebays Buying Protection, but Ebay dont offer protection for vehicles.

We complained at the time to AutoTrader etc. Not interested.

[Tools]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

Hi Helen,

Can you give me a few more details please.

When did this happen, when did you make payment, and who have you reported it to so far.

Gumtree have actually started giving more prominent warnings on every advert page since we began working with them, there are now 9 tips on trading safely in the right hand side.

[Helenann73]

Re: Barclays and vehicle scam via ebay and gumtree

This happened Sunday, we made a bank transfer monday to Barclays bank, and after receiving no emails from the person (lucy@infobt.co.uk) since the tuesday I logged into paypal and the transaction wasn't there, at that point on Friday I called paypal and they advised me I had been scammed. Called royal bank of Scotland (my bank) and when I told them the payment went to Barclays. They then said if it was any other bank they would deal with it, but Barclays like to deal with scam there selves. So I sent them all the info by email. Also emailed PayPal the said email, and called the police. They said if Barclays don't deal with it then they will step in. Last night I emailed gumtree to keep them in the loop and they requested all info, sent pics, emails, phone number and bank transfer details and am now awaiting further i for action from all parties.

[Helenann73]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

Complete the transaction in 5 easy, secure and safe steps!

1. eBay accepts the transaction and offers purchase protection to the buyer (if the transaction is declined, no further action is required from either the buyer or the seller); 2. All information received will be processed by PayPal under the direct review of eBay Inc. 3. The Buyer follows instructions and sends the payment to the assigned PayPal representative bank account. After the payment is cleared and verified by PayPal under the review of eBay Inc, it will be secured into a non-interest bearing trust account. Payment being secured, the Seller is notified by PayPal to deliver the vehicle to the Buyer. The Seller has 5 (five) business days to start the deliver procedure. The seller must deliver the vehicle for inspection along with the certificate of title, signed Bill of sale in the Buyer's name, all keys and all ownership documents. The vehicle must be delivered along with all documentation requested by the Buyer in order to allow him to change the registration in his name as soon as he will decide to accept it after the inspection period will be over. If no delivery procedure is started, a full refund is immediately sent to the Buyer. As soon as the delivery procedure will start, the Buyer should wait for the vehicle and documentation to be delivered. 4. After the inspection period is over, the Buyer must contact PayPal with the result of the inspection of the vehicle. The Buyer receives the vehicle and has 5-7 (five-seven) business days to inspect it. The inspection period will not begin until PayPal has confirmed delivery of the vehicle by either Buyer’s or shipper’s notification. 5. If he refuses it a full refund is immediately sent to the Buyer if the reason that determined the Buyer not to keep the vehicle is strictly related to the vehicle's condition i.e (different from what the seller has advertised, described and agreed to sell to you). The Seller will have the obligation to make all necessary arrangements in order to take the vehicle from Buyer’s possession in maximum 3 (three) business days. If the vehicle and documentation are as advertised, described and agreed, the Buyer should accept it. If the Buyer accepts the vehicle, the payment will be sent to the Seller within 3 (three) business days.

How to proceed from this moment?

The conventional method of transferring funds to a PayPal member cannot be used due to the large amount that must be paid. Payment must be submitted via bank transfer to the PayPal representative bank account assigned for this transaction. PayPal will secure the payment until the Buyer receives, inspects and accepts the vehicle. Or, if it is the case, PayPal will refund the payment to the Buyer. Protecting the security of your payment is our primary concern.

[Tools]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

I have the account info thanks I will also pass that on to my contacts at Barclays Fraud Ops.

Sorry to have to tell you this but as you may already have gathered the transaction will not have gone through Paypal and the transaction wont be covered by them.

What the scammer has emailed you is a very convincing looking Paypal invoice. As you have willingly sent money to that account the banks will also do nothing. The scammer will have removed funds within hours of it being deposited.

Report it to Action Fraud if you haven't already done so.

Can you forward the "invoice" to me at julian.siddle@legalbeagles.info please

[Helenann73]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

Did u have any joy getting you money back?

[Tools]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

There are very few that have managed to get their money back I'm afraid.

[Boycie]

Re: Ebay, Gumtree & Autotrader Vehicle / Car Scams

Hello Tools and all.

Apologies for my absence and failure to communicate but health and workload have been factors and, as I'm sure 'Buster' will confirm, when you set yourself the task of attempting to crack down on these scammers it's like trying to eliminate locusts and I have to give my primary focus to doing what i do best.

It was the victims who were coming across to SW and 'Buster's' work on eBay that set me off and, as he had eBay well covered, I concentrated on AT UK who I must confirm operate much better in removing scam ads than they did do previously. Unfortunately this hasn't reduced the problem or the fraudsters insertion of fraudulent ads, they are simply removed more quickly than they used to be.

The advantage of me being so obsessed (if that's the correct word to use) is that I know them inside out and can detect any slight change in their tactics. By getting their ads shut down more quickly they are under pressure and more likely to make mistakes.

On this tack I have come up with some interesting details which I'll share by PM with you and other senior members. I don't have the contacts to pursue the information but my work is to close down as many ads as I can and starve them of success and hope that I can force them into errors. A separate pair of eyes and an objective view on what I've uncovered will be useful.

Give me a while to accumulate all the information and I'll pass it on before the end of the day.