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  • Trivial matter

    I do hope that someone can offer advice on which seems like a trivial matter, even to me and I don't understand how it has got out of hand.

    I used a dog day care service since January 2013 at a cost of £12 daily and paid in cash on a weekly basis. I asked for receipts when I first started using the service as I wasn't sure if I needed them for my expenses. I was told that I did not need them and they would not be provided.

    I used the service up until last Saturday 11th. My dog had gone in to board on Friday and I informed the owner that I would collect him after 12 on Saturday. On Saturday I informed her that I was on way to collect the dog. Received text message back saying as after 12 a full days charge was applicable. When I picked the dog up I asked if I was really being charged a full day as it was a genuine mistake on my part and I didn't realise that I needed to collect before 12. I was informed that the information was available on website an on a form that I signed a year ago (I was not given a copy).
    I chose to terminate our business arrangement as I felt that I was not being treated as a valued regular customer who had made a mistake. I had no problem with paying the money owed. I received a text stating that i should post the £12 day extra charge through the letterbox at my earliest convenience. I offered to post a cheque but was told that they were not accepted.

    I planned to drop the money on Friday 17 as I was off work.

    I will try to keep it simple:
    Wednesday 16 - text stating £12 due immediately, no cheques.

    Thursday 17 - Text stating payment due immediately, further fees will be added and debt passed to third party for collection.
    Also received invoice for £48 which asked for original £12 and then a further £5 late fee and £3 admin fee. Also contained in invoice was a £28 charge for day care for week ending 17 Nov 13. Letter threatened to send debt to a collection agency.

    Saturday 18 - I asked for bank account details to pay the £12 directly into bank account. I offered to send a postal order for £12. Was refused. Suggested that she accept payment of £12 and send me breakdown of how other figure was reached. Refused again. Text stating that a refusal to pay will see her starting proceedings. A voicemail message on my phone which I accidentally deleted threatened that she will take me to small claims court.
    Received 3 texts demanding the £48.
    Received hand delivered breakdown.
    Breakdown states that the £28 charge for day care is for 31 Sept 13 and 01 Oct 13 and a £4 charge for paying £4 short one week in November.
    Letter attached states that no postal order, cheque or direct payment will be accepted as I clearly do not intend to pay.
    Prior to the breakdown being delivered I had posted a £12 postal order to her with proof of postage stating that it is full and final payment for services received.

    I do not owe any money other than the £12 which I have now sent. I paid every week in cash and in full, often paying up front for the following week. I never received any receipts or invoices.
    I have pointed out that I cannot understand why, having pursued £12 so vigorously within days, I would not have been informed of outstanding debts at the time if they were indeed real.


    I would just like to know where I stand on this. I am feeling a bit harassed and do not like the thought of this person coming to my house regularly demanding money from me as I live alone.

    I appreciate any responses I get and thanks for your time in reading it all
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  • #2
    Re: Trivial matter

    Originally posted by Cardinal View Post
    I used a dog day care service since January 2013 at a cost of £12 daily and paid in cash on a weekly basis. I asked for receipts when I first started using the service as I wasn't sure if I needed them for my expenses. I was told that I did not need them and they would not be provided.

    Did the dog day care service tell you that they wouldn't provide receipts despite you requesting them?

    Also could you post a link to their site?

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    • #3
      Re: Trivial matter

      What an utterly repellent way to behave! I don't think your distress at this to be trivial at all.

      As an aside, I would imagine HMRC would be extremely interested to see how this business is run.

      Welcome to Legal Beagles - you will get the help you need here. Don't worry - no-one has the right to behave as you describe.

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      • #4
        Re: Trivial matter

        Thank you for your responses. I have sent you the site address as a PM EXC. I feel a bit nervous about making a company that I have a dispute with public. Probably silly to worry.

        I expect HMRC would be interested. I am just worried about having the demanding texts and someone coming to my door all the time and being taken to court when I don't owe anything

        I did request receipts at the beginning verbally. I was unsure if I needed them for my own business records as an expense. I was refused them verbally

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        • #5
          Re: Trivial matter

          Firstly the site does state the additional charge for collections after 12pm so I would say you're contractually liable for that charge.

          In short you've paid what you owe them. It is extremely unlikely that they would find a court or a debt collector who wouldn't laugh at them for attempting to pursue such a paltry amount.

          I would send them a formal letter of complaint disputing the charges, demanding a full statement of account including all invoices and payments issued to date and incorporating this harassment letter (that you'll need adapt to suit) making it clear that any further correspondence should be by post and post only.

          http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...assment-Letter

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          • #6
            Re: Trivial matter

            Don't think pet care is an allowable expense?

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            • #7
              Re: Trivial matter

              Originally posted by wales01man View Post
              Don't think pet care is an allowable expense?
              It's not but I did not know that then.

              Thank you for the link EXC. I will certainly write. Then at least I won't be worried about a knock on the door. Although I know the amount is small, it hasn't stopped me being concerned as I have been informed that the 'debt' will increase each week that I don't pay.

              I'm assuming that if I ask for a statement of all invoices and payments received for the last year she will just be making it up though as I know that I don't owe her anything. I do find her behaviour very strange.

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              • #8
                Re: Trivial matter

                Originally posted by Cardinal View Post
                Thursday 17 - Text stating payment due immediately, further fees will be added and debt passed to third party for collection.
                Also received invoice for £48 which asked for original £12 and then a further £5 late fee and £3 admin fee. Also contained in invoice was a £28 charge for day care for week ending 17 Nov 13. Letter threatened to send debt to a collection agency.
                When was that daft bugger last vaccinated for rabies? :grin:

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                • #9
                  Re: Trivial matter

                  Originally posted by Cardinal View Post
                  I expect HMRC would be interested.
                  As might the DWP. :grin:

                  I am just worried about having the demanding texts
                  The harassment letter should stop that abuse.

                  and someone coming to my door all the time
                  If they do come to your door, you can lawfully tell them to go away and, if they continue to be a nuisance, you can call the police to get them moved.

                  and being taken to court when I don't owe anything
                  They'd have to prove that you owe the money.

                  I rather doubt they'd want to waste more money like that.

                  I did request receipts at the beginning verbally. I was unsure if I needed them for my own business records as an expense. I was refused them verbally
                  And then there's their disdain for cheques, postal orders or money transfers, which also suggests that they prefer not to operate a business bank account.

                  One might suspect that they are not paying tax and/or may be "working" whilst claiming out of work benefits, but doubtless such suspicions would be unfounded.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Trivial matter

                    Originally posted by CleverClogs View Post
                    One might suspect that they are not paying tax and/or may be "working" whilst claiming out of work benefits, but doubtless such suspicions would be unfounded.
                    Odd that you should say that.

                    Where I live, many houses tenanted by the unemployed have an awful lot of kennels out the back ...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Trivial matter

                      Originally posted by enquirer View Post
                      Where I live, many houses tenanted by the unemployed have an awful lot of kennels out the back ...
                      Does that mean they're also breeding dogs?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Trivial matter

                        Haven't sent the letter yet. I wanted to see if she would just accept the postal order and leave it there. But it seems not.

                        I got the postal order returned in the post today. Letter with it states:

                        Find enclosed your postal order which, as you are aware, is an insufficient amount to clear your debt.
                        In accordance with procedure, I have issued you with an invoice for the services you have utilised, a breakdown of the invoice and have kept you appraised of the late fees accruing on your bill.

                        At this point, I am obliged to request from you written notification of your intentions in relation to settling your bill and any grievances you may wish to have aired. I would kindly ask that you provide me with this forthwith so we may progress to the next stage.

                        I would also advise you that late fees totalling £5 per week will continue to be added to your debt until its resolution.

                        Yours sincerely


                        I am at a loss. I really do not know what on earth is going through her head. I cannot prove my payments as she has a policy of only accepting cash and I don't have receipts as she has never provided them.
                        I do not believe that she would have waited 3 months to ask me for the money if I had underpaid. She only took 2 days to start threatening me with court over the £12 for Saturday.
                        I feel certain that I have always paid in full. Except for the £12 which I agree that I owe and which she has refused to accept.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Trivial matter

                          So how much money - excluding "late charges" - does that idiot claim is owed?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Trivial matter

                            Total excluding 'late fees' is £43. And of that, I agree that I owe £12 and I have attempted to pay.

                            The amount in dispute is £31 and any money she is charging for the late fees.

                            I assume that the 'late fees' have now risen to £10

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                            • #15
                              Re: Trivial matter

                              I think you should send the letter as advised.

                              By not making a stand you'll only encourage them further.

                              Weakness is provocative.

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