Party Wall responsibilities

[enquirer]

Re: Party Wall responsibilities

My garden backs onto a wooden fence which separates their large
car park from my garden. however this car park and wall are bing used for vandalism
and theft from garden. Does this mean the company is responsible to ensure safety
etc,and does this Act cover it??

Who does the fence belong to? Have you complained? Is the fence in good repair?

Contact the Police beat officer with regard to the theft and vandalism. Then contact the owner of the fence/car park, pointing out the situation and that the police are involved. This may prompt a response.

[MissFM]

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Hi help4U

It might be an idea to ask admin to amalgamate this thread with your other one so that you don't get the same advice twice (or further flights of fancy lol).

My view is now veering towards the anti-vandal paint on the supermarket side. x

[CleverClogs]

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My view is now veering towards the anti-vandal paint on the supermarket side. x

Or chip fat?

[MissFM]

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Mind you, I'm not knocking the moat...

[charitynjw]

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https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ry_Booklet.pdf

3 What is a party wall?

The Act recognises two main types of party wall.
Party wall type (a)
A wall is a "party wall" if it stands astride the boundary of land belonging to two (or
more) different owners.
Such a wall:
• is part of one building (see diagram 1),
• or separates two (or more) buildings (see diagram 2),
• or consists of a "party fence wall" (see diagram 3).
A wall is a "party fence wall" if it is not part of a building, and stands astride the
boundary line between lands of different owners and is used to separate those lands
(for example a garden wall). This does not include such things as wooden fences.

Party wall type (b)
A wall is also a "party wall" if it stands wholly on one owner's land, but is used by two
(or more) owners to separate their buildings (see diagram 4).
An example would be where one person has built the wall in the first place, and
another has built their building up against it without constructing their own wall.
Only the part of the wall that does the separating is "party" - sections on either side or
above are not "party".
The Act also uses the expression "party structure". This is a wider term, which
could be a wall or floor partition or other structure separating buildings or parts of
buildings approached by separate staircases or entrances for example flats (see
diagram 5).
Walls that are not Party Walls:
These may include boundary walls (a fence wall/garden wall built wholly on one
owner’s land) and external walls (the wall of a building built up to but not astride the
boundary).

[charitynjw]

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http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/publi...-of-a-property

[PlanB]

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So you think it would be unwise to dig a moat and stock it with ravenous piranha?

Maybe piranhas would be a bit risky in case the vandals' parents get a freebie lawyer to sue for *GBH By Fish*. How about filling the moat with dolphins which according to this article can tell the difference between a gun pellet and a kernel of corn using their amazing sonar abilities. In the very least this would be useful for evidence gathering in the event the OP decides to proceed to court for damages. Dolphins may not be able to read (says who?) but nevertheless they have their uses



http://science.howstuffworks.com/zoo...-sea-mine1.htm

[CleverClogs]

Re: Party Wall responsibilities

A wall is a "party fence wall" if it is not part of a building, and stands astride the boundary line between lands of different owners and is used to separate those lands (for example a garden wall). This does not include such things as wooden fences.

Thank you - I had suspected that the Party Wall Act was not relevant.

As for using old chip fat, that method was used some years ago by a neighbour to stop noisy teenagers from congregating on/around a wooden bench in a local, municipal park. It looked quite horrid and tended to be a bit smelly, but regular, nocturnal libations of melted chip fat kept the oiks away.

[PlanB]

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I had suspected that the Party Wall Act was not relevant..

Unless the OP were to build a wall on his side of the supermarket's fence to keep the blighters out. It worked in Berlin for a while eep:

[help4u]

Re: Party Wall responsibilities

Very helpful post Thankyou

[labman]

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Hi help4U

My view is now veering towards the anti-vandal paint on the supermarket side. x

I know this is the law gone mad, but we had two incidents when I was a Headteacher - I'll relate both, though only one is directly relevant.

The first was anti-vandalism paint. Its ingredients may have changed, but we had one side where local youths climbed onto the roof as it was low, and walked up it to near its highest point, out of view, in order to do various things that people do. One youth, shortly after putting paint on this side of the building, got it on his designer top and the school was forced to pay for a new top. This was out of hours, with all boundaries secure and locked.

This is something the OP should be aware of. Also, if the wall doesn't belong to them, they may not be able to do this anyway.

The second incident regarded youths climbing over the boundary while secured and locked again, and playing football on the field - something until this point I'd not particuarly objected to, they could have been doing far worse. However, one youth was messing about swinging off the crossbar on the goals. He broke his arm and tried to sue the school. This time, bizarrely bearing in mind the first example, the school was found innocent of the injuries, but we were advised that any injuries sustained on our land, even out of hours, was our responsibility (or potentially our repsonsibility). We scrapped the longstanding posts and replaced them with different ones.

To me, it is the world gone mad. Rather like burglars claiming for cuts sustained while beaking and entering a premises.

Something for the OP to be mindful of though, as unless things have changed in the past 10ish years, this was certainly the 'eye of the law' then.

[CleverClogs]

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I recently saw a temporary warning sign on a shop, "Wet paint."

Beneath the warning, someone had inscribed "Must I ?"

[MissFM]

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You have to post a fairly scary warning by an electric fence if it's near a public right of way (we use them for livestock ie to keep them in lol) ... maybe the warning in itself would prove a deterrent.

One of the joys of electric fences is to get little brothers or other annoying little boys to pee on them.

[labman]

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One of the joys of electric fences is to get little brothers or other annoying little boys to pee on them.

Barbecued sausage anyone?

[charitynjw]

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One of the joys of electric fences is to get little brothers or other annoying little boys to pee on them.

Another shocking example of taking the pi$$!