What to expect? for the action of other person.

[des8]

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Kati can you merge these threads please, pretty pretty!
http://legalbeagles.info/forums/foru...f-other-person

[davidanswers]

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Kati can you merge these threads please, pretty pretty!
http://legalbeagles.info/forums/foru...f-other-person

Hi,
Thanks for your comment, I thought that no one will read and comment on it, I will see how I can merger or delete,

Would the time lag have any effect to your answer?
thanks again for your help.

Cheers,

[des8]

Only admin can merge the threads

Time lag does not affect my response

[Kati]

answered on original thread

Kati can you merge these threads please, pretty pretty!
http://legalbeagles.info/forums/foru...f-other-person

sorted xx

[Kati]

I will see how I can merger or delete

I've done it

[davidanswers]

I've done it

Hi Thanks for that.

[davidanswers]

I very much doubt the Police/CPS would take action on a fake ID card produced 14 years ago and not used for anything ( which is in essence what you'd be reporting). You can call 101 and ask them if they'd be interested. You'd be better looking at the current situation. This person might have only applied falsely for the ID card for you so he'd know exactly why the Police had started questioning him about it, which doesn't really seem to be the best idea if he is already threatening you.

The answers in any realistic sense will be nothing, nothing and nothing, unless there is a tangible threat directly relevant to the production of ID cards 14 years ago ( or to show he used to do it and the current issue is a suspicion he is still doing it )

Hello all,

I was away for a while and did not log in.

I have other question, even this would be considered as minor, but I am a professional by career and hold professional licences where fraud will cause to revoke my licences or get un-licenced. (Like a banker), if I report this person will that person get charged and have a criminal record?
The real concern is that if this person in the future discloses that I hold fake ID, it cause great problems for me and my career, so from his point of view, it was not a minor offence but it will affect me negatively, and other point, if that person has used my identity, how would I know that the person did not use my identity to something else which I am not aware of, so as you can see, I don't think this is a minor offence. Also, we had conflict both of us and I don't trust that person at all and I am positive that that person will not think twice of harming me. So I need to protect myself.

This is very important to me and I like to know this, so if anyone can help that would be great.

Thanks all for taking time to provide feedback on this issue.

[des8]

As I understand the situation you do not hold fake identity.
The other person obtained fake cards with your identity on them
You have never used those cards.
You do not appear to have committed any offence (at least within the UK)

If he has used your identity, he is possibly guilty of an offence, but it will depend on how and to what purpose he has used it as to whether any decision to prosecute is taken.

[davidanswers]

As I understand the situation you do not hold fake identity.
The other person obtained fake cards with your identity on them
You have never used those cards.
You do not appear to have committed any offence (at least within the UK)

If he has used your identity, he is possibly guilty of an offence, but it will depend on how and to what purpose he has used it as to whether any decision to prosecute is taken.

Thanks for your reply.
I understand that i did not commit any offence. This is clear. But the other person has. What I am interested in knowing that if I report him will that person be charged for : - identity theft & / or - Obtaining documents using fraudulent documents.
As other Poster stated it could be minor, so what happens now?
As stated before, I am a professional and if this comes up or anything else comes up, the burden of proof will fall on me to prove that I have not committed that offence, in this case I do have enough evidence that I did not do it, if there was other case which I am not aware about that comes up and by chance that I could not prove it was not me, I will take the fall, that is from the legal perspective and there is the financial aspect which is the cost of me proving is not me, and I may not be able to prove it was the other person.
So other person stated it may be considered as a minor offence but the ramifications are not minor!
This is why I need to know what can happen!

[des8]

What jurisdiction are you living under?
If you did not commit an offence how comes the burden of proof falls on you to prove your innocence?

I really think you are agonising over nothing.
You have done nothing wrong.
The other party has used your identity to obtain international student identity cards.. So what, not your offence, which is extremely minor anyway and just shows how easy it is to get student discounts! I doubt any police force would even bother to investigate, and if they did the perpetrator would laugh it off saying " look how easy it is to get a student card".

[davidanswers]

What jurisdiction are you living under?
If you did not commit an offence how comes the burden of proof falls on you to prove your innocence?

I really think you are agonising over nothing.
You have done nothing wrong.
The other party has used your identity to obtain international student identity cards.. So what, not your offence, which is extremely minor anyway and just shows how easy it is to get student discounts! I doubt any police force would even bother to investigate, and if they did the perpetrator would laugh it off saying " look how easy it is to get a student card".

Hi, thanks for your comment, but I am not worried about it, and I think you are taking this lightly. From my understanding if anyone comes and states you did a fraud or something wrong, it will fall on yourself to prove you have not done this, an example, if someone did a fraud using your name with the bank, you will be held responsible until you prove that it was not you.

Other point as mentioned for this case, I do have evidence that I did not commit this, but that does not mean the person has not used my details for other matters (which I am not aware about) or even prepares other fraud documents for other matters. So this is the risk and dangerous thing that is worrying me.
This person is close to me and anything the person does will affect me and I have some feeling the person is to up no good, so I want to stop that person from doing anything even if that person gets charged with fraud and identity theft, it is not just a matter of student id,

Sorry to say this but I think you are undermining this.

Other example, say someone who shoplifts one or some items with a small value (done once only) and gets caught, then that person will get a warning,
but if that person does it more often and is caught most of the times, do you think the police will not get involved? do you think the person will not get jail time etc... or criminal record?

That is why it is important to know what that person will face if I report it, and I am sure if I do, the police will find that the person did fraud documents to get Std IDs for other people (as a business), also the person may have done fraud on other matters, so do you think this is minor?

I have not written this before, but hopefully this gives a better picture.

Again, thanks for your comment.

[wales01man]

Hi, thanks for your comment, but I am not worried about it, and I think you are taking this lightly. From my understanding if anyone comes and states you did a fraud or something wrong, it will fall on yourself to prove you have not done this, an example, if someone did a fraud using your name with the bank, you will be held responsible until you prove that it was not you.

Other point as mentioned for this case, I do have evidence that I did not commit this, but that does not mean the person has not used my details for other matters (which I am not aware about) or even prepares other fraud documents for other matters. So this is the risk and dangerous thing that is worrying me.
This person is close to me and anything the person does will affect me and I have some feeling the person is to up no good, so I want to stop that person from doing anything even if that person gets charged with fraud and identity theft, it is not just a matter of student id,

Sorry to say this but I think you are undermining this.

Other example, say someone who shoplifts one or some items with a small value (done once only) and gets caught, then that person will get a warning,
but if that person does it more often and is caught most of the times, do you think the police will not get involved? do you think the person will not get jail time etc... or criminal record?

That is why it is important to know what that person will face if I report it, and I am sure if I do, the police will find that the person did fraud documents to get Std IDs for other people (as a business), also the person may have done fraud on other matters, so do you think this is minor?

I have not written this before, but hopefully this gives a better picture.

Again, thanks for your comment.

Unless you report this you may never know if any action will be taken let alone any penalty or punishment they may get.

[davidanswers]

Unless you report this you may never know if any action will be taken let alone any penalty or punishment they may get.

Hello, thanks for your comment, I know this, but before I start this process, I like to obtain info on this from the legal point, if I know that there is nothing that can be done or it will result to nothing, then I will not start this process at all, because if I do start it, there will be issues with it, as mentioned this person is close to me and will cause problems, so if I don't want to stair things up if it will not lead to anything, and I am sure this person is up to no good, so I need to stop that person, this is the only example that I have proof of, while others will is a word of mouth, and if I am not able to prove it, then it would be complete waste of time,
thanks for who writes a comment,

[des8]

I think you have answered your own questions.
All you have is hearsay, other than evidence of a historic possible minor offence.

You reckon you're not worried, yet we have had 28 posts on this matter,,,,,
I'm not taking the matter lightly. If I had thought it was of no concern to you I would not have wasted time responding
Impersonation leading to fraud (identity theft) is a problem, but if an accuser (complainant) makes an allegation it is for the complainant to prove.
Before the UK state took over the prosecution of criminal cases it invariably meant the complainant making the prosecution (hence one can still instigate private criminal prosecutions)
" if someone did a fraud using your name with the bank, you will be held responsible until you prove that it was not you."
Not quite sure what scenario you are looking at here: you have lost money ? or your name has been used to deprive someone else of money.?
If you have lost money you become the complainant and prove there was fraud
If your name has been used it has to be proved that you were responsible

[davidanswers]

I think you have answered your own questions.
All you have is hearsay, other than evidence of a historic possible minor offence.

You reckon you're not worried, yet we have had 28 posts on this matter,,,,,
I'm not taking the matter lightly. If I had thought it was of no concern to you I would not have wasted time responding
Impersonation leading to fraud (identity theft) is a problem, but if an accuser (complainant) makes an allegation it is for the complainant to prove.
Before the UK state took over the prosecution of criminal cases it invariably meant the complainant making the prosecution (hence one can still instigate private criminal prosecutions)
" if someone did a fraud using your name with the bank, you will be held responsible until you prove that it was not you."
Not quite sure what scenario you are looking at here: you have lost money ? or your name has been used to deprive someone else of money.?
If you have lost money you become the complainant and prove there was fraud
If your name has been used it has to be proved that you were responsible

Hi, thanks again for your comment, I do appreciate it, I was not trying to undermine you in anyway. As I mentioned before, that person did one fraud (identity theft) two times in my case (issuing the Std ID twice: I think this would be 2 identity thefts and 2 fraud documents), I am positive that the person did the Std ID for other people(could be for friends or as a business), this can be easily investigated by comparing the Std Ids issued to the education entity actual students, thus whom have Std Ids and not attended the education entity will be a fraud. What I mean I have my case which will be opening a can of worms as you can say, getting police to investigate will lead to other offences, but I don't have proof for the others but could be proved by police if they investigate, I know the history of that person well, and the person did fraud in other case and if police investigate this instance it will be true. The only thing this happened overseas (not in the UK) and what that person obtained may have been used it in the UK, so the source is fraudulent document therefore, anything that was obtained from using it should be void. Also, the person defrauded the tax department in the UK where the person was requested to pay the material amount or go to jail. As this person is close to me, this is why I need to know what are the possibilities, that is what I am interested only. I know no one will tell what will actually happen, but what are the possibilities?

It could be that I did not write the all the issues and the background, therefore, based on my initial post, it may seem minor, but in my mind it is more than that,

I appreciate and thank each person whom have contributed to my issue. I am happy with what was written and ultimately I will take the decision to report or not.

Thank you all.