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  • Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

    Honestly - you couldn't make it up. I'm probably either the most unlucky or most stupid person to ever use the internet!

    Short version of a long story - over a couple year ago I had a job in sales, it was rubbish but paid the bills. I was in charge of opening the store, banking and doing stock checks etc... A new manager started and imposed some silly (to me) rules. He started insisting on searching me... One day I pointed out that if I wanted to take something I'd probably do it when no one else was there as I opened up, had keys all security codes and even access to the safe. Long and short of it, I was suspended on full pay. During this time I got offered another job and resigned.

    As some of you know I was made redundant a couple of months ago. I was offered a new job in the same sector as the job which I was investigated from! Sod it I though, I need to work for my sanity and need the money. I was asked why I left old job, so I told them I didn't get on with manager and got offered a better job. Fair enough - the manager wanted me.

    On the first day I was challenged, I was told he had been told I'd been sacked. I explained this was rubbish and could show him my retirement letter. He said he wasn't bothered. So I thought it was over.

    So this week he was meant to be on holiday. He came in and asked to have a word with me. Explained he'd been told I was investigated at my old job - I told the truth and explained all. He then said "you need to resign or I will fire you for gross misconduct" I explained that I couldn't quit as I needed some money - and if I resigned I would not be eligible for any benefits. So he escorted me off the site as fired. No witnesses were available.

    So I put a claim in for jobseekers. Thinking that even though I've been sacked it's not really my fauly - I can't be expected to go through everything bad about me if not asked. And today I was asked to get a letter saying why I was dismissed.

    Called up HR. He's said I verbally retired! A complete lie. To make matters worst if he'd have told the truth I would have been eligible for a week's pay for notice. I've obviously tried calling him, and he claims he can't speak to me. I've emailed hr who say they will look into it.

    So here I am - I'll have ZERO income. You can't get jobseekers if you resign, and thats what the manager is saying I did! Any advice? Why would he come in on a holiday day, on the off chance I resigned? Why would I randomly resign? He's a complete ****ing lier!

    I'm so tempted to walk into the shop and knock the little prick out, and then stamp on his head until there isn't anything left!!! Although going to prison might not help me in the long run.
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    Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

    To resign you would have needed to do it in writing and vice versa if they had dismissed you.

    Make your case to DWP and explain your situation IN FULL.

    No matter how tempted you are, do not carry out your "wish", he isn't worth prison.
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      Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

      Originally posted by Tools View Post
      To resign you would have needed to do it in writing and vice versa if they had dismissed you.

      Make your case to DWP and explain your situation IN FULL.
      I plan too. However they claim if an employed says I resign I don't get anything. Three are looking into this. There is CCTV but I don't know if the manager will have deleted it, or even if it has audio.

      I just am annoyed that he didn't do the decent thing and tell the truth after his little chat about "honesty is the best policy" speech. Actually you little maggot asking the correct questions at interview is the best policy.

      Apologies to the Mods and anyone offended for my swearing. But this has pushed me over the edge... Why is it that big companies act like this... It's just wrong - people have to eat.

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        Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

        Hmmmm, big company yes, small manager. Me thinks a call to head office is in order, especially since he didn't follow correct procedure.

        Of course I would also speak with ACAS tomorrow, that way you can inform head office you have spoken to them and intend to take it further...........
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          Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

          Originally posted by Tools View Post
          Hmmmm, big company yes, small manager. Me thinks a call to head office is in order, especially since he didn't follow correct procedure.

          Of course I would also speak with ACAS tomorrow, that way you can inform head office you have spoken to them and intend to take it further...........
          I called up HR and they have asked me to email saying my complaint and I have done. The manager has really let me down. I explained I couldn't resign as I needed some money - I've got limited savings but need them to finish my open university course, and it will be a choice between that and eating if I don't work and can't get any benefits.

          Ultimately - it's going to be my word against his. If thats the case I will ask to be reinstated, saying I never resigned.

          I'll also call ACAS. Thanks for the advice. I think I'll be needing it. At this rate I'll be knocking on peoples doors asking to wash their car for small change.

          What's even worst - is that an agency have got me an interview for a role which is well paid and more set to my skills. But what am I going to say when they ask me what I'm doing now? I'm really upset and angry about this.

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            Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

            Originally posted by bigbigproblems View Post
            I called up HR and they have asked me to email saying my complaint and I have done.
            Follow up with a copy in writing, sent Recorded Delivery. Emails have a habit of getting 'lost'. They also have less impact than a proper document.

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              Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

              Does this manager have a shred of evidence that you resigned?
              Nothing I say should be taken as qualified expert advice. I am not an expert in anything.

              If you decide to act on anything I have posted you agree not to hold me liable in any way.

              If you are unsure then you need to take proper advice from someone who is an expert.

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                Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

                Originally posted by enquirer View Post
                Follow up with a copy in writing, sent Recorded Delivery. Emails have a habit of getting 'lost'. They also have less impact than a proper document.
                They have already emailed me back saying they are looking into it. But I will take your advice.

                I am going to make an assumption here. The manager is meant to check references before taking people on. He has skipped a few steps, and when he found out something he didn't like he has tried to cover it up.

                Obviously anyone can make a mistake. But his actions have put me in a very serious position. He could have been a gentleman about it, and told me to look for another job asap whilst working there. Or even gone through the propper disciplinary procedure.

                Overall - I am sure this will not be looking good for him. I tried calling him and the limp wristed little sod said "I'm not sure I can talk to you".

                If I don't get paid my weeks notice as per the contract I will be suing for it as a matter of principle. And if I am not able to get benefits I'll use my credit card and then sue for the amount plus interest.

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                  Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

                  Originally posted by Harmonica View Post
                  Does this manager have a shred of evidence that you resigned?
                  No - because I didn't. I was desperate to start working again. I need it for my finances and also my health. Staying in the house is not good for me.

                  He claims I did it verbally.

                  So he is saying he got the train on the off chance I'd resign, and that I did it verbally. He even sent other people out whilst I was talking to him. The company may decide to back him up - but I will be suing in the county court if I don't get my notice period money, and for any losses I've suffered.

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                    Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

                    The event is still fresh and you will be angry for a while, however, sleep on it and approach it with a fresh head. The worst thing you can do is appear irrational, play him at his own game, calmly will get you further.
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                      Re: Sacked - but apparently I've resigned!

                      Originally posted by Tools View Post
                      The event is still fresh and you will be angry for a while, however, sleep on it and approach it with a fresh head. The worst thing you can do is appear irrational, play him at his own game, calmly will get you further.
                      Agreed. Personally I feel I do understand what's happened.

                      The manager in question is the type that likes to brush around the rules, he didn't bother asking half the questions on the form saying he couldnt be bothered.

                      I am assuming they are meant to check references before offering positions. He didn't check (and hadn't done officially), and when he found out something he didn't like/could end up causing him problems he decided to get rid off me. I think he probably expected me to resign we he offered me the ultimatum.

                      As it's a big company there is a procedure to go through to sack someone. Obviously doing this would make him look bad. So he has sidelined it by saying I resigned.

                      That wouldn't have been a problem, and I'd have never known if I didn't call up HR and ask. I only called them as I had my meeting and wanted an email of the reason to take to the job centre.

                      Obviously not it's all hit the fan. He can't admit he lied, so will have to play the system.

                      my gripe is - he tried to be Mr Nice. I'll still give you a reference... "You're a great guy sam, we should go for a pint some time". All of this was obviously a ruse to stop me causing a fight about being dismissed.

                      Either way - I will be getting my notice period. Three are investigating this, so will have to update there systems. If they say I resigned I will say I didn't and say I'll go back and work there.

                      I don't want to get the manager into trouble. But after explaining I needed money to live he did this. It's beyond immoral.

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