Investigation whilst signed off sick

[PlanB]

Re: Investigation whilst signed off sick

ok then

Can we carry on this general discussion on the forum even if the OP is now getting one-to-one bespoke advice from Eloise by PM because it's a good topic and LB gets 10,000 views per day so others may be interested in what we all have to say

Jentom please let us know how you get on - best of luck :beagle:

[Eloise01]

Re: Investigation whilst signed off sick

Can we carry on this general discussion on the forum even if the OP is now getting one-to-one bespoke advice from Eloise by PM because it's a good topic and LB gets 10,000 views per day so others may be interested in what we all have to say

I can't speak for the OP but I don't see why not. If you didn't see the removed posts (and thank you Wales01man for being so uninformative - I tried to get it removed so nobody saw it!) you would realise that the specific circumstances here would identify the OP in a second, and they are very unusual circumstances which other experiences may not add much value to. But anything you can say that may help can't harm, if you see what I mean - and I know that you have an interest in this area. There's always one message that is true - "it might feel like the end of the world but it isn't..."

[wales01man]

Re: Investigation whilst signed off sick

Eloise i was posting wishing the OP luck with their ordeal and hoping you can help,but from your reply to me i wonder what your comment about my post was for,i respect your expert knowledge and can only offer support to some of those who post on here im not clever enough to give the advice you can,
away from that im in support of you when others on here turn threads into attacks on you, can yhey not see your offering an opinion to resort to slagging you off neds to end,healthy debate is fine but some of the posys are something else
Excuse my grammer in posting but im jusy a mere idit

[Eloise01]

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Eloise i was posting wishing the OP luck with their ordeal and hoping you can help,but from your reply to me i wonder what your comment about my post was for,i respect your expert knowledge and can only offer support to some of those who post on here im not clever enough to give the advice you can,
away from that im in support of you when others on here turn threads into attacks on you, can yhey not see your offering an opinion to resort to slagging you off neds to end,healthy debate is fine but some of the posys are something else
Excuse my grammer in posting but im jusy a mere idit

I was thanking you for not saying anything that gave anything away! I was dealing with multiple incoming messages, so sorry if that wasn't clear. You nicely and neatly said nothing about the posts you had read, and that is appreciated.

[Inca]

Re: Investigation whilst signed off sick

sorry - i genuinely haven't got a clue what you are talking about, and it probably doesn't matter that i don't. I think you may assume that i know something i don't? But that's fine - just remember that not all gay people are the same, and not all barristers are the same either. If you feel, rightly or not, that you have been let down, you are entitled to that feeling. I wouldn't even begin to argue about how you feel. But if you did something wrong jon, i really don't care about that. There are things about me that you don't know, and that nobody else here (nobody - not even cel and my close friends) know. Thy aren't "bad things", but they would shock you, i have no doubt. But i can assure you that if you did something in the past i really do not give a damn and you should have got that by now. I care about now and the future, not the past.

There are precious few of "me" on line anywhere. Few lawyers have the time or inclination to help people that aren't paying a bill. There are a damned sight fewer of my background doing it. You don't understand, but an online colleague of mine (and one i respect enormously for her quality of advice) once summed it up really well so i will try to explain - she is a retired solicitor dealing with employment law, so a similar specialism. This is what she said (more or less)....

"i am a solicitor. I know quite a lot of stuff and can deal with quite a lot of stuff. But i am also a politician. I depend on repeat business. I need people to come back to me with their next problem, and i need them to recommend people to me because i was good for them. As much as anything, my skills are not about employment law or tribunals, they are about tea and sympathy. Because that is good for business. [eloise] is a barrister. An enormously experienced one. You do not get to just ring up and make an appointment with her. She doesn't deal with your unlawful wage deductions or your holiday pay. Her appointments are filtered so that only the most complex and serious cases get through to her office. If she accepts you as a client with a case, you don't get her - you get an entire professional team of experts whose only concern is winning. She and they do not do tea and sympathy, and if they did you wouldn't want them to because it would cost you too much. They are focussed on what is the case, and what do we need to do to win. Nothing else. She will never see you again after the case. She will never get a recommendation from you to a colleague. Her entire business is based on 'win rate' - does she do the job or not? She therefore isn't and doesn't need to be a politician - her job is solely to see if you have something, anything, that can win and to exploit that to destroy your former employer. She has no need to beat around the bush because beating around it won't get you a win. If you want tea come round to my office - i'm cheaper"

she is absolutely right. I don't care what someone has done. I don't care if it is "right" or "wrong". But if they are not telling me the truth - whether that be because they don't want to or are hiding something - then the advice they get is diminished by their choice. And i will say so. Unless you happen to win the lottery, for most people the most valuable thing they have is employment. They will, even on low wages, earn £millions over their lifetime. Sit down and work it out - it is scarily far more than anyone ever thinks. Everything that most people have to hold on to is secured by their employment. So i am not sorry if i don't have enough time to hold on to making every sentence enticing and flowery. I hold down two sites worth of employment advice. I volunteer at a law centre helping cases that would never otherwise get legal opinion. I also, amazingly, have a life and i have inca.(incase anyone forgets) . So if three +decades of a certain type of professional skill jars every now and then - so be it. You should know better by now. Yes, i've been "blunt" with a few posters - and it's damned rare they don't come back with "fair enough" eventually. I'd rather people got the right advice that candy covered truths.

ifypfy.......(i fixed your post for you because you inadvertantly missed out a very important bit)

[charitynjw]

Re: Investigation whilst signed off sick

My two-pennerth.......

As far as I am aware, all an employer requires in order to carry out an investigation is reasonable suspicion of 'wrongdoing'.

They do not need the high bar of 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

In the US, if someone 'takes the nickel' (5th Amendment - right to remain silent), I believe it is tantamount, in the public conscience anyway, to a suspicion of guilt. The blood is in the water! (A generalisation, btw; I'm not commenting on the OP's situation here!)

Regardless, the employer has every right to protect their business, & in the event of an employee not attending a meeting, or if the employee reserves 'the right to remain silent', in the absence of better information, surely the employer is entitled to draw their own conclusions?

[wales01man]

Re: Investigation whilst signed off sick

Thankyou for clearing that Eloise this one will carry on to a conclusion no doubt Many more people with many problems will come to this site and hopefully will receive some excellent advice and support to get through tjeir problem whatever they are