SSCL vetting?

[ThatsNotNice]

Hi all

First thread, so apologies if this is in the wrong place or something.

I've just started a new position, and have been waiting to get my vetting through. I have previously been vetted and all has been fine. Last week, i was told my pre existing vetting meant i was ok to start (this was not from SSCL themselves, but rather from someone else who works for the organisation i started with, part of whos job is to chase up vetting and liaise with SSCL, i think). I thought this was odd as i hadnt been told this peviously, or when i submitted my documents this time around. Nevermind.

I've now been given the official reply from SSCL saying the vetting has failed as i "pose a risk to HMPPS". Genuinely have no idea why this would be. Does anyone have any ideas or can think of things that ive perhaps overlooked? I have no criminal record at all and all my vetting details that were submitted were accurate, with the official documents as required.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.

[ULA]

Have you tried to go back to SSCL to find out if they can let you know what the issue was with the vetting outcome?

[ThatsNotNice]

Thanks ULA. Turns out SSCL arent allowed to give more information unless it goes to the appeals team to investigate it. I have sent in the appeal now.

Anyone know how long an appeal might take? They said in the confirmation email there isnt a timeframe so just hoping for a guesstimate if anyones been through this before.

[ULA]

I know that appealing a vetting outcome for roles within various policy forces have a 28 day review period. You may need to go back to SSCL when you make the appeal and ask them to confirm the time it will take before you get an outcome.

Just be aware there may also be a time.restriction on you in which to make the appeal, so make sure you comply with that.

[Guest]

I’m having the same problem. I have no adverse history, to my knowledge at least. Nothing at all in my background, no cautions, convictions, links to anything/anyone to flag as a cause for concern, yet my vetting has been returned as ‘unsatisfactory’ I’m yet to receive a response or find out the reason(s). I see you were told you pose a risk? Has this been explained and have you had any joy in submitting an appeal? Thanks!

[NotImpressed]

Hey, literally just made a profile so I can reply to you. I’ve had the same issue. I declared all that I needed to and failed my vetting for being a “risk to HMPPS”.. it’s been 4 weeks and they haven’t given me a reason for the fail. Have you heard anything back yet?

[Guest]

I’m sorry to comment again. To the OP and the above poster: was it stated that you pose a risk on the automated response email/portal status? Or have you delved deeper to be told this?

[Croberts3]

Hi all, has anyone had any response/insight in to why this happens? I have recently failed my vetting with the reason 'risk to hmpps'. I am in the same boat as all of you in regards to failing and I'm so confused as to how/why this has been said! My whole career is on the line because of this.

[Klovvee]

Exactly the same thing has happened to me! I have never been in trouble with the police and my DBS came back clear. Has anyone heard anything?

[Croberts3]

Klovvee I'm so sorry you're going through this as well. 3 weeks on for me and I'm no closer to finding out why. Apparently due to GDPR they can't tell me why I've failed but just that I can appeal the decision by sending appropriate documents. I just resent my entire application in a word document and asked the appeals team what else they require. I'd advise you to go straight to the appeals team and avoid the letter to the 'approvals and compliance' team step as it is completely pointless. Keeping everything crossed for you, I'll let you know if I hear anything

[CAAD9ER]

Hi. What was the outcome?
I've just failed my HMPPS Enhanced Vetting due to having an IVA (4 years in, never missed a payment).

This is for a non directly employed post (medic).

Ive already been doing the job for 2 months!! And these were supposedly pre-employment checks.

I have an email to appeal, just wondering if there's any point??

Thanks.

[ThatsNotNice]

Firstly, massive apologies to everyone for not replying. I started searching elsewhere for answers and got distracted. I got no answer except that i can appeal by resubmitting my application (as someone else said above). I did this, it failed again. I asked SSCL for more information and got a generic response along the lines of "we do checks including (x, y and z), but not limited to these, and yours were unsatisfactory." No further info. I moved on, and left the position. I've now started a new position, was DBS'ed, all fine etc, and a few weeks in, my manager wants to set up a link with the local probation service as we have some mutual clients, and i just got sent the sscl vetting form again... here we go again lol. Anybody else aware of anything since the previous posts?

[ThatsNotNice]

Also, to "guest" above, i was sent the reply email (it went to my manager), and it said i pose a risk on there. As i say, DBS'ed again and still nothing, so maybe i was a sleeper agent or something and didnt realise it myself lol.

[Thumper1976]

I have had major problems with my vetting, over a year since I applied to join.
I appealed first as one of my previous employers had got slight discretion in the records which was put right and then apparently social media hiccup where someone had tagged me in abusive posts.
I've since deleted nearly all my social media and put in a final appeal.
still waiting to get answer.
It's very frustrating as I'm so keen to get in but they don't seem to wanna hurry, I know they are busy but I am b3ing kept in limbo

[ArmyMedic]

Hi

I am in the same boat. Just logged an appeal with the vetting team. I was refused to having an 'adverse criminal history '

I was subject to a Police Caution in 2015, and a court fine for my daughter's truancy in 2019.

On my enhanced DBS the caution has been removed and filtered. I reached out to Unlock for some advice as l really couldn't understand how having the above could make me a risk.

Their advice was:

Although 'Adverse Criminal History' sounds terrible, my understanding is that HMPPS will use this wording for any positive outcome following a search of the PNC. In terms of their assessment, the caution would now be disregard which would only leave the conviction.

In my opinion this isn't relevant to the job you're applying for, it's over 5 years old and only resulted in a court fine. Now that they have more information regarding the background to this, one would hope that HMPPS would see this in the same way.

I was surprised to hear that the Standard Plus System had been withdrawn and I wonder whether that's a national directive or something more localised.

I am waiting to find out what the outcome is, not sure what the success rate on appeals