Caught shoplifting

[labman]

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BB,

I can't find the exact one I was looking for yet, but have found an April update, and also a May update of which I was previously unaware. Both are attached.

[bluebottle]

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Many thanks for that, Labman. The more information about Civil Recovery that is posted up on this thread, the better.

[strangewayofsavin]

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I have been caught shoplifting in Tescos. Im not going to give any excuses only to say its the first and last time it has happened.
I was taken up to the office,where i was shown the cctv,and i admitted it straight away. The police were called and the police asked if you could pay for the goods. I said yes,and was escorted to the till to pay the amount £3.20. The police said they would not be taking any action and the store banned me for six months.
I have just received a letter from RLP, saying i have to pay £87.00 costs.
Do i have to pay this even after paying for the goods?

Top tip , look out for the little round things in the corners of the store, these are called CCTV cameras, they can record your actions within the said store, so if you put things in your bag with the intention of not paying, a bloke or woman called a security guard will see you, and have the evidence on tape to prosecute you, you may wish to look out for these so called cameras in the future.

[bluebottle]

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Top tip , look out for the little round things in the corners of the store, these are called CCTV cameras, they can record your actions within the said store, so if you put things in your bag with the intention of not paying, a bloke or woman called a security guard will see you, and have the evidence on tape to prosecute you, you may wish to look out for these so called cameras in the future.

Unfortunately, very few, if any, of Tesco's so-called "security staff" have undergone SIA-approved training for CCTV and/or retail security. Also, very few, if any at all, retail security personnel are trained in the R -v- Ghosh test for dishonesty and the Theft Act 1968 and Fraud Act 2006. There is also something called Corporate Paranoia of which Tesco is a well-known sufferer. Although OP admits what they did, a lot of alleged "shoplifters" at Tesco are due to incompetent, poorly-trained and badly-disciplined security staff. I worked in the retail trade before I joined the police force.

[UKFLYER]

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I have today,sent out the letters to Tesco and RLP. I will let you know if and when i get any replies. Many thanks for all your help.

STRANGEWAYTOFSAVIN

I came on this forum for some sensible advice,which i appreciate very much,not to read patronizing remarks like you have posted.

[CleverClogs]

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STRANGEWAYTOFSAVIN

I came on this forum for some sensible advice,which i appreciate very much,not to read patronizing remarks like you have posted.

Were they meant as patronising remarks, or was he merely trying to pass on what he has learned from personal experience?

[strangewayofsavin]

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Not from past experience, because I was punished if I did something wrong, apparentley that philosophy is old fashioned nowdays.

[CleverClogs]

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Not from past experience, because I was punished if I did something wrong, apparentley that philosophy is old fashioned nowdays.

Other people, such as myself, do not need the fear of being caught or of being punished to keep themselves from doing wrong.

[strangewayofsavin]

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Other people, such as myself, do not need the fear of being caught or of being punished to keep themselves from doing wrong.

Then again, being stereotypical, I could say that being a mick you have the human rights act on your side:tung:

[CleverClogs]

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I am not Irish.

If you can find a suitable avatar of a pair of clogs dancing by themselves, I might well change.

[Guest]

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Not from past experience, because I was punished if I did something wrong, apparentley that philosophy is old fashioned nowdays.

This is civil litigation. nobody gets punished.

The idea is that the retailer does not suffer any loss

No morality here of any discription, just money

Peter

[bluebottle]

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Unfortunately, Peter, I have serious doubts as to the legitimacy of claims made by RLP and their clients. If the OP's SARs to RLP and Tesco are returned not complied with (including cheques being returned), not only will that constitute an offence under the Data Protection Act 1998, it may well amount to offences under the Theft Act 1968, Protection from Harassment Act 1997 and Fraud Act 2006 on the part of RLP and Tesco.

RLP have repeatedly made claims where no grounds in law exist for such claims and rely on people's lack of legal knowledge and fear to get away with what they do. At best, it is Unjustifiable Enrichment, at worst, Fraud by False Misrepresentation.

BB

[Guest]

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Unfortunately, Peter, I have serious doubts as to the legitimacy of claims made by RLP and their clients. If the OP's SARs to RLP and Tesco are returned not complied with (including cheques being returned), not only will that constitute an offence under the Data Protection Act 1998, it may well amount to offences under the Theft Act 1968, Protection from Harassment Act 1997 and Fraud Act 2006 on the part of RLP and Tesco.

RLP have repeatedly made claims where no grounds in law exist for such claims and rely on people's lack of legal knowledge and fear to get away with what they do. At best, it is Unjustifiable Enrichment, at worst, Fraud by False Misrepresentation.

BB

HI BB

Yes i think we all agree that the claims are not legitimate in law.
not sure what good sending SARs will do.

I thnk the grounds are a bit thin for claiming criminal liability on the solicitors, but hey why not. I am sure it will do no harm.

Except it may cost the OP £20 of course :tinysmile_hmm_t2:

Peter

[bluebottle]

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HI BB

Yes i think we all agree that the claims are not legitimate in law.
not sure what good sending SARs will do.

I thnk the grounds are a bit thin for claiming criminal liability on the solicitors, but hey why not. I am sure it will do no harm.

Except it may cost the OP £20 of course :tinysmile_hmm_t2:

Peter

Hi Peter,

I have heard from Richard Dunstan at CAB that one of RLP's in-house solicitors has now left RLP's employment. The best way to deal with solicitors who are involved in Civil Recovery is to report them to the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA). The SARs will, effectively, force RLP and Tesco to reveal what information they passed between themselves with regard to the OP. RLP are well-known for not being compliant with CPR, but expect "victims" to be fully-compliant. A judge has described the type of tactics employed by RLP as "fishing".

If RLP and Tesco do not comply with the SARs, then a formal complaint to the ICO would be a certainty, not forgetting that the ICO can fine offenders up to £500,000.

My gut feeling is that RLP and Tesco will not comply with the SARs. In my experience, anyone who is complying with the law and has done nothing wrong is upfront and open. RLP and Tesco are not exactly known for being upfront and open.

BB

[Guest]

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Hi Peter,

I have heard from Richard Dunstan at CAB that one of RLP's in-house solicitors has now left RLP's employment. The best way to deal with solicitors who are involved in Civil Recovery is to report them to the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA). The SARs will, effectively, force RLP and Tesco to reveal what information they passed between themselves with regard to the OP. RLP are well-known for not being compliant with CPR, but expect "victims" to be fully-compliant. A judge has described the type of tactics employed by RLP as "fishing".

If RLP and Tesco do not comply with the SARs, then a formal complaint to the ICO would be a certainty, not forgetting that the ICO can fine offenders up to £500,000.

My gut feeling is that RLP and Tesco will not comply with the SARs. In my experience, anyone who is complying with the law and has done nothing wrong is upfront and open. RLP and Tesco are not exactly known for being upfront and open.

BB

HI BB

This activitiy has been going on for over ten years now, they have been repored to the SRA ,OFT, ICO and the police many times, by many people.

They will just return the enquiry with a preformated response, they have heard it all before.

They know they have no argument, at least not one that will stand up in court, but it does not stop them trying to pursue.
Unfortunately there is no reason in law why they cannot try and pursue.

As far as the OP is concerned in my opinion he is better, in the first instance just denying libility.

The solicitor concerned will take exactly the same action, they will either press for payment or they will not.

Sending SRAs or arguing the toss will in my opinion make no difference whatsoever.

Peter