Caught shoplifting

[bluebottle]

Re: Caught shoplifting

Thank you all for your replies. What is my next step? I really dont want to end up with a bad credit rating. I know i did wrong and i am very ashamed of my actions.

UK Flyer,

Could you please tell us if RLP made any mention in the letter they sent you about a "national database of wrongdoing"? It's very important you confirm this either way. Also, did they allege you were "a trespasser" in the Tesco store involved. Again, it is very important you confirm this either way.

I'm going to put together template SAR letters for you to send to RLP and Tesco. They won't be posted until sometime tomorrow.

If you can answer the questions I've asked, that will help me and other LB members to help you.

Bluebottle

[labman]

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Agree with Bluebottle, particularly re the data base.

Also, though I don't think they did, could you just confirm that you were not formally cautioned by the police when they came to the store.

Finally, please stop beating yourself up. We all make mistakes and do things we live to regret. Life goes on, and if it is a £3.00 lesson and a bit of hassle, it's a lesson well taught. Had you got away with it, your life could have taken a real turn for the worse. In a strange wy, this is a good thing.

[Guest]

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Agree with Bluebottle, particularly re the data base.

Also, though I don't think they did, could you just confirm that you were not formally cautioned by the police when they came to the store.

Finally, please stop beating yourself up. We all make mistakes and do things we live to regret. Life goes on, and if it is a £3.00 lesson and a bit of hassle, it's a lesson well taught. Had you got away with it, your life could have taken a real turn for the worse. In a strange wy, this is a good thing.

Hi

Not aware of this data base, it sounds a bit big brother ish. I have just googled the term and cant find any references do you have any details.

Peter

[labman]

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Yes, but I'll have to go searching. Give me a few minutes! lol
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Best I can come up with quickly:

BBC News - High Street shops take justice into their own hands

The whole article is interesting, but the database is mentioned in the section under 'Heavy Handed.'
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Also mentioned in the CAB report here:

Citizens Advice publishes report into Civil Recovery: ‘Unreasonable demands?’

[ploddertom]

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In my view this is very much along the same lines of the Private Parking tickets speculative invoicing. Although you realise what you did was wrong no one lost out as you paid for the goods in full. The Police have taken no action so no criminal record will be recorded. The retailer has not lost out as the goods were paid for. No extra staff were brought in or employed so no loss there either.

I don't doubt the retailer gets a kick back for each referral they make, but if they can't quantify the losses then for me I would ignore the paperwork that will follow. Further letters may even have scary looking red ink in them.

[teaboy2]

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In my view this is very much along the same lines of the Private Parking tickets speculative invoicing. Although you realise what you did was wrong no one lost out as you paid for the goods in full. The Police have taken no action so no criminal record will be recorded. The retailer has not lost out as the goods were paid for. No extra staff were brought in or employed so no loss there either.

I don't doubt the retailer gets a kick back for each referral they make, but if they can't quantify the losses then for me I would ignore the paperwork that will follow. Further letters may even have scary looking red ink in them.

I.... And because they paid for the goods, the retailer therefore agreed to enter a contract of sale with the buyer, despite the accusation, not only that they made a profit from the goods, therefore they accepted the offer to pay for the goods under a sales contract as compensation for any wrong doing.

Now that would be a good argument to throw back at them and see if they can wriggle their way round it. Because for all intent an purposes the OP agreed to enter a contract and fulfilled that contract as a consquence of his/her actions as a remedy and compensation to the retailer. Contract Fulfilled means the retailer has no cause for action at all - Just a very good thought.

[UKFLYER]

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The only other doc they set me is theFAQs which i have posted.Question 7,What personal data to you hold and question 14,I paid full price for the goods/services. Why should i pay more? I think these could be relevant. I also cant see any mention of being a trespasser.

[ploddertom]

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They have accused you of a "wrongful action" but refuse to say what that is, you have not been convicted of anything you simply made an error of judgement. They say in their T&C about what happens if you don't pay - please note the references in that para to may & not will.

Incidentally now you have told us of your indiscretion does that mean if we all write to you and claim £50 each, you will pay?

[charitynjw]

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Does anyone know whether Mr Worrall Thompson was chased by RLP?

[Guest]

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Does anyone know whether Mr Worrall Thompson was chased by RLP?

Yes Richard and Judy as well as i remember.

Peter

[bluebottle]

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Having looked at the FAQs RLP sent to OP, I have never read such a load of horse manure in my life. Some parts of it border on, if not, amount to Attempted Blackmail (Section 21, Theft Act 1968) and I would push it even further to say that there could be a case to answer against RLP and its clients for Fraud by False Misrepresentation (Section 2(1), Fraud Act 2006) and even Common Law Conspiracy to Defraud. There may also be offences under the Data Protection Act 1998 and Sections 2 & 7, Protection from Harassment Act 1997.

It appears that RLP have stopped alleging their victims have entered retailers premises "as a trespasser". I will put together template SAR letters to serve on RLP and Tesco.

[Guest]

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HI

I have seen people accused of trespass to goods which means to interfere with anothers goods or chattles and is a common tort along with conversion.

I suppose this would cover the situation where someone eats a sandwich in a supermarket before they had paid for it.

Peter

[labman]

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And Jade Goody, and Steven Gerrard ...... the list goes on!

[bluebottle]

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Template SAR Letters for the OP to send to RLP and Tesco. it should be interesting to see what comes back, if anything, or whether RLP and Tesco drop this like the proverbial hot brick.

[labman]

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If they do not respond, you report them to the ICO for non-compliance. Do Tesco have vicarious liabilty with RLP?