Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

[Hedgefun]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Hi Hedgefun to LB

Did you receive any notice (letters) from CF4TS before your "debt" was passed on to DRS (and ... are DRS a group called Ardent Credit Services by the way)? Can you possibly email me (kati@legalbeagles.info) any letters you've received so I can start you a new thread, where you'll get more help from the Beagles in regards these "debt collectors"?

K x

Hi Kati

Yes I have letters in my drawer at work I can send you copies of. No, the only time I heard from CF4TS was text messages saying 'we failed to collect payment, can you please forward payment'. Then after a few months got letters and phone calls from DRS ( think they're called Debt Recovery Services )..... Now a 3rd company have contacted me saying they've took over the debt.... I'll get their name tomorrow.

And thanks for the warm welcome 😊

[ArcB]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Hi ArcB

I signed up in October 2014. Same as you all started off ok, fired through 4 TMA's. Then it got down to the online practical assessments, I had trouble sending my work, had to message trades gateway numerous times and they informed different ways to install the disk etc. After doing the assessment 3 or 4 times and unsuccessfully, wasting around 20 hours of my time, submitting my work to them I gave up. I complained to them, they just kept telling me to try different things to install the disk. I gave up on the course and tried to cancel. They weren't interested. Then I found this site, seen people having same problem as me with online practical assessments, feedback was it was a prehistoric grossly outdated program which didn't surprise me. But that's by the by. My issue also was that I wasn't made aware that I was entering a credit agreement, I was led to believe it was a pay as you learn type agreement. Career skills 4 finance have since sold the debt to a debt recovery group called DRS who are chasing me for £5400. I paid 2 months fees, £270, which hasn't been took off the £5400, the company I got made redundant from pledged £1500 towards retraining which I have the invoice for as being paid, hasn't been taken off, so if I do owe anyone anything it's around £3630. But after the debt management company harassing me by mail and phone for 6 months, sending me letters saying debt collectors are coming to my house in next 4 weeks, they have now sold the debt to a 3rd debt/credit company who have this week sent me more letters saying I need to pay the £5400. Like you, I signed up to noodle.co.uk and there's no evidence of a credit agreement on my credit score. I believe they are crooks, their "credit agreements" wouldn't stand up in court and no one will get a penny from me...

Anyone else got these debt recovery companies chasing them?

I'm sorry to hear of all the troubles you are having with these companies. But no i have only canceled my Direct Debit this last week and my next payment would be due to go out at the end of the month. As of yet I have not heard from either companies or any debt recovery companies.

[Kati]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Keep us updated on anything that happens please?? K x

[Kati]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Hi Kati

Yes I have letters in my drawer at work I can send you copies of. No, the only time I heard from CF4TS was text messages saying 'we failed to collect payment, can you please forward payment'. Then after a few months got letters and phone calls from DRS ( think they're called Debt Recovery Services )..... Now a 3rd company have contacted me saying they've took over the debt.... I'll get their name tomorrow.

And thanks for the warm welcome 

Can you remember who was names as the "Creditor" on the letters you've received from the DCAs [MENTION=73211]Hedgefun[/MENTION]??

[Amethyst]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Did everyone have two visits and sign the credit agreement on the second visit ?

If so, Do you recall if you signed anything on the first visit at all? ( even if you were told you were just signing to confirm the rep had vsiited etc) - and does anyone have a copy of that document ?

[Kati]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Did everyone have two visits and sign the credit agreement on the second visit ?

If so, Do you recall if you signed anything on the first visit at all? ( even if you were told you were just signing to confirm the rep had vsiited etc) - and does anyone have a copy of that document ?

:bump: for [MENTION=72635]eqeqeq[/MENTION] [MENTION=73173]ArcB[/MENTION] [MENTION=73211]Hedgefun[/MENTION]

[Amethyst]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Hi Phillious

Of course we don't tend to hear the good stories so you have to be your own judge and really, trust your gut instinct. Are you currently unemployed ? You could always look at local college courses or ask at your job centre for training, at least research your options and the actual job market prospects well before committing to £5-£7k.

On this bit ''all i had to do was go through a credit check ect and i could sign up and start the course'' - did he explain how he would do a credit check ? Did he do one? and did you pass? (and should you have?)

Did he do an affordability check ?

On the first appointment - did he get you to sign anything at all ? even just to confirm he'd visited ?

Did he explain anything about how much to course cost is, or how the finance works ?


( from reading the FCA rules it appears they have to do two visits to get around their not being allowed to canvass off trade premises - hence the suitability visit THEN the paperwork visit )

[wales01man]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Philious If you could post the paperwork the LB members who are helping others on here may be able to help them better.

[Kati]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

he reluctantly left me a copy of the course booklet which explained the course

is there any way you could email me a copy of that (kati@legalbeagles.info)?

[Hedgefun]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Hi Hedgefun to LB

Did you receive any notice (letters) from CF4TS before your "debt" was passed on to DRS (and ... are DRS a group called Ardent Credit Services by the way)? Can you possibly email me (kati@legalbeagles.info) any letters you've received so I can start you a new thread, where you'll get more help from the Beagles in regards these "debt collectors"?

K x

Hi Kati

I have just got to work and looked through the paperwork. The heading says Debt & Revenue services, not Debt Recovery Services as I thought. Down at the bottom it says email to DRS@ardentcredit.co.uk so yes it is who you thought. After DRS phoning me dozens of times over 6 months and not getting anywhere, I've checked my letters and CF4TS got back involved and it was them that sent a letter saying they have now referred it to ARC Europe Ltd and I must forward all correspondence and payments to them now. I then got a letter from ARC Europe Ltd a few days later saying I need to pay them £5400 and they can help me pay it in manageable spread out payments. There is no sign anywhere of the £1500 my previous employer paid to them towards the training. Thats where we are right now. I'll email you privately the letters that I do have and you can see exactly what they say.

[Amethyst]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Have you sent a CCA request at all to CF4TS for a copy of the agreement ? If not I'd do so ( http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...y-of-Agreement )

I'd also send a DPA Subject access request and ask for a list of all transactions and documents to do with the 'loan'.

eg

[Your full address] [Phone number] [The date]

[Name and address of the organisation]

Dear Sir or Madam
Subject access request - Data Protection Act
[Your full name and address and any other details to help identify you and the information you want.] Please supply the information about me I am entitled to under the Data Protection Act 1998 relating to: [give specific details of the information you want, for example

A list of all transactions made on the account
Any documentation relating to myself or the account
All screen notes / telephone recordings related to myself
Any letters/documents/emails between yourselves and third parties relating to myself.

If you need any more information from me, or a fee, please let me know as soon as possible.
It may be helpful for you to know that a request for information under the Data Protection Act 1998 should be responded to within 40 days.
If you do not normally deal with these requests, please pass this letter to your Data Protection Officer. If you need advice on dealing with this request, the Information Commissioner’s Office can assist you and can be contacted on 0303 123 1113 or at www.ico.org.uk
Yours faithfully
[Signature]

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[Hedgefun]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Have you sent a CCA request at all to CF4TS for a copy of the agreement ? If not I'd do so ( http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...y-of-Agreement )

I'd also send a DPA Subject access request and ask for a list of all transactions and documents to do with the 'loan'.

eg

Read more at: http://legalbeagles.info/library/sub...#ixzz3oLBagBPI

Hi Amethyst

I haven't asked them for anything, I am just ignoring the problem which is probably the wrong thing to do. Thank you for the template letter, I will do that. Although CF4TS have now said that all correspondence should go to a company called ARC Europe Ltd now.... Would they have all that info? Also, if they can't even acknowledge the £1500 they received from my previous employer how could it stand up in court? Not to mention there is no sign of a credit agreement in my credit report

[Kati]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Hi Amethyst

I haven't asked them for anything, I am just ignoring the problem which is probably the wrong thing to do. Thank you for the template letter, I will do that. Although CF4TS have now said that all correspondence should go to a company called ARC Europe Ltd now.... Would they have all that info? Also, if they can't even acknowledge the £1500 they received from my previous employer how could it stand up in court? Not to mention there is no sign of a credit agreement in my credit report

you can send a cca request to the 'original creditor' (CF4TS) without going through ARC :nod:

[Amethyst]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

Nope the DPA and the CCA should go to CF4TS.

IF they have sold the debt to ARC then you could send a CCA request to ARC as well, but the DPA request should go to CF4TS.

Did your employer pay CF4TS directly or did he pay Marlborough/TradesGateway etc ?

Presumably your employer has accounts and records of payments made so should be straightforward to evidence that payment was made if need be.

How much was the course originally ?

[wales01man]

Re: Trades Gateway cancellation Help Please

yesterday I was with the owner of a Heating and plumbing company and a guy who paid 3 grand for a course like these he says he was unable to complete it and the business owner said they would never employ someone who got one of these course completed and did not have a few years of experience