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  • #76
    I think Des has hit the nail on the head, this issue is about contractual intention and, in accordance with contract law principles, whether you contracted with the seller and not your husband. It really comes down to the facts and that would be something the judge would have to take a view on based on the evidence, so here's my interpretation.

    - The invoice signed by your husband would prima facie (assumed correct unless proven otherwise) be the contracting party, not yourself.

    - Likely to be further reinforced if the invoice and any other documentation only states his name rather than both your names.

    - The payment of the deposit together with the invoice could also support him being the contracting party.

    - Being the registered keeper is not evidence that you were the contracting party. For example, a father might buy his daughter a car as a gift and have the seller put the V5C in the name of the daughter. That does not mean the daughter has a right to sue the seller because it was gifted to her, there would have to be something more than that i.e. her name on the contract.

    - Making a payment does not automatically imply you were party to the contract with the seller because the above example applies. Basic contract law dictates that only those who intended to contract will be the contracting parties. Another example is someone who has a mobile phone account and is able to take out multiple contracts for their family members - the rights and liabilities under those contracts will be with the mobile account holder despite the fact that someone else is the beneficiary. Same goes for being married, I wouldn't get too hung up on that because I thnk that's pretty irrelevant.

    What can you do about the set aside application? Depends on how much you want to resist.

    - You could resist the application and argue that you are the contracting party rather than your husband. In support of that you can point out the payments you've made, the V5C and the fact that the seller has been dealing with you from day 1 when you raised a complaint, never denying you weren't part of the contract. Therefore, they are estopped (prevented) from claiming that you are not party to the contract. Again, a judge would have to decide that as a point of fact but if that judge did indeed agree with you, then you could ask the court for summary judgment as the defendant has pleaded nothing else.

    - Alternatively, you may want to consent to setting aside the default judgment with some caveats:*

    a. There be no order as to costs on the basis of the Defendant's conduct.

    b. Include as part of the Order that the parties agree to substitute yourself with your husband as the claimant - you'd need to comply with CPR 19 if you go** with this option I think.

    Otherwise if you want to resist their application, invite them to make it and then submit a witness statement opposing the set aside. You could make the same arguments and if you lose, might be worthwhile asking the court to exercise its case management powers and substitute you for your husband as the claimant on the basis that if this claim is dismissedyour husband would simply issue a claim in his name and that would not be in accordance with the overriding objective especially the use of court resources at this particular time.

    There's also the risk of costs if you lose, but you might be able to argue again that the Defendant did nothing to dispute the fact that you were claiming to be the contracting party and therefore by their own poor conduct, they have ended up in this situation so there should be no award of costs.

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    Just my two pennies worth and it's not an exhaustive list nor have I fully read your thread here so apologies if there are some things I have got wrong.
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    • #77
      MCOL online is now stating that an application to set aside has been issued to the Court, a bar was put in place was removed, then it states a bar was put in place and the claim was transferred to a local Court. Do I just wait now to hear from the Court?

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      • #78
        Yes, and may be a little while due to covid19.

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        • #79
          This conversation is actually quite helpful for me.

          I've paid for a Joint car purchase ony my credit card. My number is on the invoice but the other details are my partner's. I was on the insurance (as I was driving it) and am dealing with all correspondence with the dealer. I'm going down a section 75 route with barclays as I've been told I will be able to show I had interest in the car. from what has been put on this thread, that may not be the case?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Yannage View Post
            This conversation is actually quite helpful for me.

            I've paid for a Joint car purchase ony my credit card. My number is on the invoice but the other details are my partner's. I was on the insurance (as I was driving it) and am dealing with all correspondence with the dealer. I'm going down a section 75 route with barclays as I've been told I will be able to show I had interest in the car. from what has been put on this thread, that may not be the case?
            As explained on the thread, having an interest in something does not automatically equate to having a contractual relationship in law. It may be that Barclays take your word and process your claim, but if they challenge you, then you will need to prove that you were the contracting party. If that fails then your next step might be the Ombudsman or legal proceedings.

            There's no guarantee that your s.75 claim will be successful or unsuccessful but since it's a free application, might as well give it a shot.
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            • #81
              des8*The set aside hearing has happened today. The judge awarded the set aside on the basis that the Defendant is stating that they didn’t receive the Particulars of Claim but they did receive the Notice of hearing paperwork. They have until 3 weeks to file a Defence. Will I be notified they have filed a Defence?

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              • #82
                Courts bend over backwards to appear fair, but don't always seem to appreciate that all other parties are following the rules!

                Yes, you will receive a copy of their defence

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                • #83
                  des8*what happens after I receive their defence? He initially gave them 2 weeks but then changed it to 3 when their solicited said I dont know if they have even seen the POC.*
                  When they have filed their Defence will I then file mine? Will this now carry on online or as its been transferred to Court, will I receive the paperwork via post?

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                  • #84
                    After their defence has been filed you will receive directions from the court.
                    In the meantime you might as well start preparing your witness statement

                    Currently I think the courts are keeping with emails

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