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  • Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ps?INTCMP=SRCH

    Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

    Commons committee to publish critical report on Atos, which determines whether people are eligible for sickness benefits


    People who are fit and healthy are unlikely to have heard of the company Atos. But anyone who has had to apply for sickness benefits may find that the name triggers – according to one MP – a sense of "fear and loathing".

    Atos is responsible for carrying out the government's drive to assess everyone claiming incapacity benefit, to decide whether they may actually be well enough to work. Atos staff are testing around 11,000 benefit claimants a week, to determine how ill they really are and whether they are eligible for benefit payments.

    Since the last government launched a campaign to cut the number of sickness benefits claimants, the process has been controversial, with charities and politicians warning that vulnerable people have wrongly had vital payments removed.

    On Tuesday a select committee will publish a detailed and critical report on the way the Department for Work and Pensions policy has been implemented, looking in part at the way Atos has carried out its contract to assess claimants. The work and pensions committee launched its investigation this year after many complaints about the testing process.

    More than 400,000 appeals have been lodged against decisions not to grant the benefit since it was launched in October 2008, and 39% have been successful. The tribunals service has been forced to double the number of staff handling appeals, to accommodate the huge volume of complaints. The cost of tribunals is estimated at well over £30m a year.

    Atos, a Paris-based IT company, is being paid £100m a year to carry out the work capability assessments (WCAs), allowing the government to phase out incapacity benefit and replace it with the employment and support allowance (ESA). The record of Atos Healthcare – a division of Atos – over the initial period of the policy's roll-out has been heavily criticised by disability charities.

    There are two main areas of concern: unease about the government policy of retesting people's fitness for work, and alarm about practical hitches in the testing process delivered by Atos. Kate Green, a Labour MP who sits on the committee, said that while she was broadly supportive of the policy to help more people back into work, "the delivery has been absolutely disastrous".

    Concern has been voiced beyond the select committee over the accuracy of the tests, the high numbers of successful appeals against the medical assessments, the facilities provided by Atos and the treatment of claimants by Atos staff.

    For the past six months, Atos has been the focus of noisy protests by disability campaigners who have staged meetings outside its London headquarters, organised sit-ins at the medical assessment centres and sent protesters to picket Atos recruitment fairs. Protest banners declare "Atos doesn't give a toss" and "Atos Kills" – a reference to reports, highlighted by leading mental health charities, of people taking their own lives as a result of changes to their benefits. Those words have been painted on a wall near the company's London headquarters.

    During the test, benefit claimants are interviewed by Atos staff – a mix of doctors and nurses – for between 20 minutes and two hours. Staff engage claimants in an often very relaxed conversation, gathering information about the medical problems, and calculating how capable the claimant is of performing simple tasks; a computer programme offers prompts to ensure that all the relevant material is inputted.

    Staff can capture information in a sideways manner. The question: "Do you shop and cook for yourself?'' may be used as an indication of a claimant's mobility and competence. Atos staff award claimants between zero and 15 points (with 15 points indicating that they are too unwell to work), and send their reports to the jobcentre, where benefits officials make a final decision.

    Charities have warned that glitches in the system have meant that many seriously ill people have been judged fit for work. A third have appealed, with 39% of decisions overturned by tribunals.

    The tribunals service spent an estimated £22.15m on processing appeals between May and September last year. The service has had to double its capacity in the social security section to deal with the large number of appeals, recruiting an extra 170 paid medical panel members. The government accepts that the system has not run smoothly, and set up a review last year, headed by Prof Malcolm Harrington. His initial recommendations have been implemented by Atos. However, Harrington's review has not yet addressed all outstanding issues and will make further recommendations later this year.

    During the work and pensions select committee hearings earlier this summer, MPs asked if Atos was penalised financially for inaccuracy. The company said it was paid per assessment, with no sanction if the decision was overturned on appeal. Anne Begg, Labour chair of the committee, responded: "That adds to the suspicion that you are a private company, you are driven by a profit motive, and the incentive is to get the assessments done, but not necessarily to get the assessments right."

    Neil Coyle, director of Disability Alliance, said the government was paying the company to do the test, and was then footing the bill for reviewing flawed assessments. "It's like paying for a childminder to babysit, and then going home three times in an evening to make sure they are doing their job," he said.

    A DWP spokesman said that if a decision were overturned, it did "not necessarily mean the original decision was incorrect", because new evidence was often produced, or "the tribunal weighs the original evidence differently".

    MPs of all parties and from all parts of the country have found that the work capability assessment is a constant feature in their constituency mailbag. Labour MP Tom Greatrex was alerted to the issue last year when a constituent reported difficulties getting through to an Atos helpline.

    Greatrex's office called the number 135 times before getting through. Although the phone service has subsequently improved, he said the "experience of both my constituents and my own office of the customer service provided by Atos has been entirely negative". He is concerned about the high levels of appeals, particularly now the system is no longer just testing new claimants, but has started retesting all 1.5 million incapacity benefit claimants to see whether they are eligible for the new benefit, ESA.

    "The acceleration of the assessment process will mean that we end up with more and more mistakes being made. If that many people are winning their appeals, then it is grossly inefficient, apart from anything else," he said. A lot of his constituents felt that they were "being branded as skivers" and "demonised by the system", he said. The computer-led method by which Atos assessors work out how many points to award each claimant has also caused frustration, Begg said. "One of the big fears, and it was a common theme through all the evidence we got, was the mechanistic nature, the computer-based nature. I think a lot of your clients feel they are in the Little Britain sketch, where it says, 'The computer says no'," she told Atos staff at the hearing.

    The Conservative MP Simon Hart was warned by Citizens Advice staff in Carmarthen that the test was causing many complaints. In a series of parliamentary questions, he established that 29,000 claimants who originally scored zero in the test were later granted the benefit on appeal.

    "It seems that some people are not failing by a couple of points. They are failing completely and then going to tribunal and then passing completely. If it were missing by a narrow margin, you could understand that... there could always be a margin of error, but for some poor people the system is not working," he said. "The policy is a sound one, but it has to be fair and there does seem to be a group for whom it is obviously not fair." MPs also raised concerns about the numbers of assessment centres that were not well equipped to receive people with disabilities.Given the high level of concern expressed about Atos's current record, MPs wondered how the company was going to manage to deliver the "substantial savings" it promised when its contract was recently extended to 2015. Atos officials told MPs they would do that by "making the process more efficient".

    Glenda Jackson, Labour, said she struggled to see how the company could improve its performance, as promised, and simultaneously cut costs. "How will it be possible with a reduced budget to improve and expand training?" she asked.

    The Lib Dem MP Stephen Lloyd, asked Atos staff how they planned to improve their reputation. "It is not [an] exaggeration that, for x number of people in the UK who are currently going through this process, Atos is feared or loathed in equal terms."

    Tom Pollard, policy officer with the mental health charity Mind, said it was often hard for charities to pass on their concerns to Atos. "It often feels like we are kept at arms length from Atos so they are not answerable as much as the DWP is," he said. Officials tended to respond that the problems highlighted by charities were "one-offs or isolated incidents" and this evidence tended to get "passed off as if they are the exception to the rule", he said.

    "Often our experience suggests that the assessment is almost designed to ensure that it is catching out those people that might overplay things... to catch out scroungers. We often hear about people being asked slightly opaque questions... 'Do you watch Eastenders? ' And staff will extrapolate from that, that person will be able to sit repeatedly and reliably for 30 minutes. That's not quite straight from our point of view. It would be better to have an open conversation, where you don't need to cloak the questions," he said. "We don't believe that people overplay their symptoms or conditions; that doesn't line up with our experiences of the situation; they're more likely to underplay it if anything."

    Some charities are also uneasy at the prospect of Atos being given further contracts for a new set of medical assessments that the government is to introduce in 2013 to test eligibility for the new personal independence payments (PIP), to replace disability living allowance.Richard Hawkes, chief executive of Scope, said: "They are responsible for the WCA and that doesn't work and so we would have great concerns if they became responsible for the PIP assessment as well."

    The public's anxieties about Atos have been largely aired in blogs. Some disability campaigners have warned that by focusing anger on Atos, which is merely the company contracted to carry out a government policy, protesters are missing the point.When Atos (which is also responsible for IT at the Olympics) appointed athlete Steve Cram to be its UK ambassador for the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games, protesters turned their frustration on him, with a burst of angry online campaigning. The Disabled People Against Cuts group, wrote to him asking him "politely to reconsider his position", but say they have yet to receive a reply. Cram's agent said the athlete had not received a copy of the letter, although she had seen it online, and referred calls to the Atos press office.The company has recently taken legal action requesting closure of at least one website, which had invited people to post descriptions of their experiences of the medical assessment. Phil Lockwood who created a website, afteratos.org, earlier this year, was contacted by the company's lawyers advising him to take the site down.

    An Atos spokesman said: "Atos Healthcare is focused on quality to ensure high standards are maintained. Customer satisfaction ratings for Atos Healthcare Professionals regularly exceed 90%." The company says it has introduced improvements in partnership with the DWP, including "improved consistency and quality of medical assessment and reports".

    A DWP spokesman said the government was continuously improving the test, adding: "Prof Harrington is now undertaking a second independent review of the WCA, which will be published before the end of the year. As part of this he has launched a call for evidence and we would encourage people to respond."

    Questions and answers: taking the test

    A Guardian reader agreed to be accompanied to his recent work capability assessment. He has epilepsy and Asperger's syndrome and has been suffering from anxiety. He lost his job last year because of his ill health.

    He was assessed by a nurse, who greeted him kindly and tried to reassure him about the process. The assessment started with an informal chat, and she asked how he had made his way to the assessment centre, clarifying whether it had taken more than half an hour. This was not just small talk, because the answers help build up a picture of potential fitness for work. The nurse asked questions about his diagnosis, but was also interested in his daily life.

    "Do you go shopping?" "What happens if you have a fit when you're shopping?" "How long do you need to recover from it?"

    "Do you do the cleaning at home?" she asked. "Do you do the cooking?" " Do you worry that you might leave the cooker on?" "Do you have pets?" "Do you have friends?" "Do you meet friends in cafes?" "Do you get the newspapers every day?"

    Ability to cook and care for pets shows evidence of general competence, but claimants often find this roundabout form of evidence-building confusing.

    She typed answers into the computer as she spoke, inputting his replies into the LiMA (logic integrated medical assessment) computer programme that processes the responses and helps translate the replies into a score between 0 and 15, with 15 being the point at which sickness benefit is recommended. She apologised for the noise of the keyboard being tapped, and for the fact that she had to take contemporaneous notes. After criticism about assessors looking at the computer rather than at the claimant, staff have been told to improve their eye contact.

    After a while, the tone of the interview became much more business-like, the sympathetic murmurings stopped and the questions became more rapid. "Do you cry?" she asked, trying to gauge the seriousness of his anxiety. "Do you feel that life is not worth living?" "Do you feel that you can't on?" The replies (no) were typed in swiftly.

    Two weeks later, the claimant was informed two weeks later that he was temporarily eligible for employment and support allowance, but would need to take part in "work-related activity" sessions.
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  • #2
    Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

    Hi

    Another recent article on this -

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ity?CMP=twt_fd

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      Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

      Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ps?INTCMP=SRCH

      People who are fit and healthy are unlikely to have heard of the company Atos. But anyone who has had to apply for sickness benefits may find that the name triggers – according to one MP – a sense of "fear and loathing".
      Utter disgust and contempt would be a fairer description of what those misbegotten momzers do.

      Atos is responsible for carrying out the government's drive to assess everyone claiming incapacity benefit, to decide whether they may actually be well enough to work. Atos staff are testing around 11,000 benefit claimants a week, to determine how ill they really are and whether they are eligible for benefit payments.

      Since the last government launched a campaign to cut the number of sickness benefits claimants, the process has been controversial, with charities and politicians warning that vulnerable people have wrongly had vital payments removed.
      That's the problem - Atos was given a target proportion to reject, so the test was designed on that basis. Any scientist or statistician would tell you that designing and then tweaking a test to produce the desired results was, at best, invalid if not downright dishonest but, because it produced the results desired by the present kakistocracy, Atos seems to have got away with it.

      More than 400,000 appeals have been lodged against decisions not to grant the benefit since it was launched in October 2008, and 39% have been successful.
      That's over 156,000 people whose lives have been needlessly made more stressful by those plonkers.

      The tribunals service has been forced to double the number of staff handling appeals, to accommodate the huge volume of complaints. The cost of tribunals is estimated at well over £30m a year.
      Other estimates sat that the tribunals alone cost £ 50,000,000 per year.

      There are two main areas of concern: unease about the government policy of retesting people's fitness for work, and alarm about practical hitches in the testing process delivered by Atos. Kate Green, a Labour MP who sits on the committee ... was broadly supportive of the policy to force more people back into work
      Silly cow.

      Concern has been voiced beyond the select committee over the accuracy of the tests, the high numbers of successful appeals against the medical assessments, the facilities provided by Atos and the treatment of claimants by Atos staff.
      None of which the aforesaid vache stupide seems to have mentioned.

      Pourquoi?

      For the past six months, Atos has been the focus of noisy protests by disability campaigners who have staged meetings outside its London headquarters, organised sit-ins at the medical assessment centres and sent protesters to picket Atos recruitment fairs. Protest banners declare "Atos doesn't give a toss" and "Atos Kills" – a reference to reports, highlighted by leading mental health charities, of people taking their own lives as a result of changes to their benefits. Those words have been painted on a wall near the company's London headquarters.
      Whilst that is certainly one way to reduce the benefits bill, this Aktion T4 by proxy does seem a bit dishonest.

      During the test, benefit claimants are interviewed by Atos staff – a mix of doctors and nurses – for between 20 minutes and two hours. Staff engage claimants in an often very relaxed conversation, gathering information about the medical problems, and calculating how capable the claimant is of performing simple tasks; a computer programme offers prompts to ensure that all the relevant material is inputted.
      Except that it doesn't - the program just prompts for questions that have to be answered, rather than prompting for a simple yes/no answer to be expanded. Hence, relevant data may be omitted or lost.

      Staff can capture information in a sideways manner. The question: "Do you shop and cook for yourself?'' may be used as an indication of a claimant's mobility and competence.
      Which is quite daft, just by itself.

      Like a good many people with a disability, I shop for myself because, if I didn't, nobody else would. On some days, I can walk to the local shops and back - perhaps half a mile in total - and only need to stop for a brief rest on the way back. On other days, I might need to rest on the way there, or I might feel the need to retch up some trapped gas on the way back. Or I might just feel too poorly during the day to get up and go out at all, so I'll spend the day in bed and venture forth at night. Very rarely - not more than once a month - I am able to visit the local park to take a few photographs. I am usually quite exhausted by the time I return home - sometimes, I am too tired even to make myself a mug of coffee until after I have rested for a while.

      All of the above detail is likely to be recorded by the Atos numpties as "yes", although a more accurate summary might well be "no" as it requires considerable effort by me and generally leaves me unfit to do much else for the rest of the day.

      Tom Pollard, policy officer with the mental health charity Mind, said it was often hard for charities to pass on their concerns to Atos. "It often feels like we are kept at arms length from Atos so they are not answerable as much as the DWP is," he said. Officials tended to respond that the problems highlighted by charities were "one-offs or isolated incidents" and this evidence tended to get "passed off as if they are the exception to the rule", he said.
      Whereas the truth is quite different.

      "Often our experience suggests that the assessment is almost designed to ensure that it is catching out those people that might overplay things... to catch out scroungers. We often hear about people being asked slightly opaque questions... 'Do you watch Eastenders? ' And staff will extrapolate from that, that person will be able to sit repeatedly and reliably for 30 minutes. That's not quite straight from our point of view. It would be better to have an open conversation, where you don't need to cloak the questions," he said. "We don't believe that people overplay their symptoms or conditions; that doesn't line up with our experiences of the situation; they're more likely to underplay it if anything."
      Exactly - the test was designed and tweaked to produce at least a certain proportion of rejections.

      No registered medical practitioner or medical professional should have anything to do with a system that does not put the needs of the patient first; if any practitioner or professional does work for such a system, they should lose their registration.

      As the meerkat quoth, "Simples!"

      The public's anxieties about Atos have been largely aired in blogs. Some disability campaigners have warned that by focusing anger on Atos, which is merely the company contracted to carry out a government policy, protesters are missing the point.
      And the SS members who carried out the Holocaust were "only obeying orders".

      The company has recently taken legal action requesting closure of at least one website, which had invited people to post descriptions of their experiences of the medical assessment. Phil Lockwood who created a website, afteratos.org, earlier this year, was contacted by the company's lawyers advising him to take the site down.
      Why?

      If they are so nearly perfect as they would have one believe, what do they want not to be published?

      A Guardian reader agreed to be accompanied to his recent work capability assessment. He has epilepsy and Asperger's syndrome and has been suffering from anxiety. He lost his job last year because of his ill health.

      He was assessed by a nurse, who greeted him kindly and tried to reassure him about the process. The assessment started with an informal chat, and she asked how he had made his way to the assessment centre, clarifying whether it had taken more than half an hour. This was not just small talk, because the answers help build up a picture of potential fitness for work. The nurse asked questions about his diagnosis, but was also interested in his daily life.

      "Do you go shopping?" "What happens if you have a fit when you're shopping?" "How long do you need to recover from it?"

      "Do you do the cleaning at home?" she asked. "Do you do the cooking?" " Do you worry that you might leave the cooker on?" "Do you have pets?" "Do you have friends?" "Do you meet friends in cafes?" "Do you get the newspapers every day?"

      Ability to cook and care for pets shows evidence of general competence, but claimants often find this roundabout form of evidence-building confusing.

      She typed answers into the computer as she spoke, inputting his replies into the LiMA (logic integrated medical assessment) computer programme that processes the responses and helps translate the replies into a score between 0 and 15, with 15 being the point at which sickness benefit is recommended. She apologised for the noise of the keyboard being tapped, and for the fact that she had to take contemporaneous notes. After criticism about assessors looking at the computer rather than at the claimant, staff have been told to improve their eye contact.

      After a while, the tone of the interview became much more business-like, the sympathetic murmurings stopped and the questions became more rapid. "Do you cry?" she asked, trying to gauge the seriousness of his anxiety. "Do you feel that life is not worth living?" "Do you feel that you can't on?" The replies (no) were typed in swiftly.

      Two weeks later, the claimant was informed two weeks later that he was temporarily eligible for employment and support allowance, but would need to take part in "work-related activity" sessions.
      That just shews how utterly stupid the results from Atos are and how the test is weighted to give the results the "government" has deemed to be acceptable. Essentially, they are working on the basis that the premise dreamt up by "Lord" David Fraud, a sometime merchant banker with no obvious knowledge or experience of disability issues, who claimed that most people then receiving Incapacity Benefit were not disabled at all. He also claimed that recipients of IB had only ever been examined by their own GP, which claim is manifestly and provably false as any long-term claimant of IB would know.

      In the case detailed above, any sane and reasonable person might wonder if the "work-related activity" sessions would increase the claimant's anxiety, which is highly likely when one considers that he suffers from Asperger's Syndrome - sufferers of which prefer a settled routine and are markedly averse to any change in their surroundings or pattern of life. One might even wonder if the result was intended to exacerbate his anxiety to the point where he commits felo de se, as a sort of Aktion T4 by proxy.

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      • #4
        Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

        http://thefullfacts.com/esa/forum/vi...7&p=6282#p6282

        "Sacre Blue" say French ATOS workers about ATOS in UK!

        by Miss Ben E Fit » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:21 am
        It would seem ATOS are being critiziesed by ATOS (the french ones anyway!)
        Im going to be humming La Marseillaise (French anthem) all day


        Atos Healthcare in Britain: a shameful scandal known in France.

        The British government eager for a small economy in crisis uses a variety of techniques. One of the most scandalous is likely that for which Atos won the tender for the Department of Work and Pensions. Indeed, in order to flush out "profiteers" and "valid to work" Atos has developed a system: an electronic form to evaluate the disabled, terminally ill cancer patients, disabled, injured workers. If they do not meet the criteria or if they do not go to the interview: their benefits are deleted.
        The design of this form is a scandal because of people with profound disabilities can be considered capable of work and mental illness are not taken into account.
        Associations of disabled are outraged to see Atos serve on the Board of Directors of Para Olympic Games and they ask the boycott.
        According to the Daily Mail, 103 suicides have occurred since the implementation of this evaluation.

        ( 1 ) Atos Healthcare is a division of Atos Consulting who officiates in the health sector in the UK where it employs over 3,000 people. Its largest contract is with the Department of Work and Pensions, under which it conducts evaluations of disability for people receiving disability benefits, including the allocation of supported employment, compensation disability ("DLA") and disability benefits and industrial injury.

        The capacity assessment work (WCA) is very controversial. It continues to be criticized in the UK, both through parliamentary inquiries by MPs, the judiciary, as well as advocacy groups for the ights of people with disabilities such as Citizens Advice.

        ( 2 ) These groups have highlighted many examples of terminally ill and severely disabled persons deemed fit for work and ineligible for benefits as a result of an evaluation conducted by computer by Atos Healthcare, which is paid 100 million pounds per year by the government for testing. Charities finally described the system as improper and remain concerned about its reliability, despite the government's commitment to improve it .

        ( 3 )Atos competence and its employees is challenged by health professionals. Atos has set up an automated medical examinations called "LIMA". Such examinations are widely criticized by those being evaluated.

        ( 4 )The system is automated with a number of yes / no answers, not allowing to take into account the progressive diseases, mental illness etc.., But also evaluating the functionality of biased criteria.
        A particular question is: do you watch "Eastenders" and "Coronation Street"? (Two very popular television series in Britain). If the answer is yes, that means for the software that the person is able to remain seated 30 minutes, even though it noted that it looks at these programs lie.

        Multiple errors in the records, some very coarse, were found.
        There is also a refusal to accept other medical documents, including specialists.
        A score of 55 examination centers Atos have no disabled access, and some are over 5 minutes to 15 minutes from the nearest station.

        A significant number of disabled or sick, who were receiving welfare benefits formerly, are considered employable or able to integrate a vocational rehabilitation program. This means when the judgment of the perception of their allocations.
        If they do not attend a job interview (but if they are disabled and this is made ​​impossible) their unemployment benefits are then arrested.

        ( 5 )Qualification or competence of examiners is questioned: 17 hours of training for nurses, a few days for doctors, and attractive salaries: £ 32,000 for nurses for a job from September to May hours without penalty, no work on weekends, etc.. ( 6 )

        The type of people considered employable includes terminally ill cancer patients, people suffering from Parkinson's disease, chronic and debilitating illnesses for which there is no hope of improvement, but will next year ironing review each year.
        The list is endless.
        The Guardian newspaper in an article in March 19 (8) quotes Peter, a computer analyst officially registered blind in 2009 which was denied with the allocation and obligation to return to work. ( 11 )

        Atos is expected to make recommendations that are reviewed by a panel that makes the decision. What is called in the text JCP decision-makers, which means the decision of JCP. JCP means more Job Centres, a glorified ANPE. It does not appear that there are members of the medical profession in this panel.
        The recommendations are accepted at Atos 99.78% at the expense of those of general practitioners and specialists who follow their patients for years. ( 10 )

        Many demonstrations of associations and activists have been held since the scandal erupted across the Channel to the point that we are surprised it is known in France. Protesters brandished banners that reads "Atos does not give a lot" and "Atos kills". A reference to the small but growing number of applicants who are killed after finding that benefits were eliminated. ( 12 ) ( 13 ) ( 14 )
        If you read this Wikipedia article on Atos, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atos , you will see that the French version is completely expunged from the English version which alludes to the controversy of the withdrawal of benefits Based on reviews conducted by Atos.
        The omerta of the French press does not make us doubt the leverage of multinational Atos Mr BRETON. This same person who already has a history rife for at France Telecom, the company famous for numerous suicides.



        Atos won the contract with the British government in an economic recession and a cost reduction program in the public sector. With the right-wing government of Mr Cameron, a real witch hunt was triggered against welfare recipients. A highly virulent campaign of the British government has portrayed the disabled as parasites who take advantage of the system, while fraud represents only 0.5%. In this context, the specification of Atos is clearly identified. The result is a reduction in the number of persons entitled to disability benefits because the criteria have changed.

        Since the system was tested in late 2009, about 390,000 people have litigated in the courts of appeal against a decision on suitability for employment. The courts have been forced to open on Saturday and to increase their workforce by 30% since January 2010, the cost of these calls should reach 50 million pounds per year by the end of this month. ( 7 )
        About 38% of all court appeals in favor of the applicant, and the benefit is subsequently granted. If an applicant is supported in his appeal by a person from an advocacy group, such as Citizens Advice, it is a success rate much higher for these calls, approximately 68%. ( 8 )

        This shameful scandal should not stay in the shadows. Our duty as employees of Atos members and trade unionists, is to inform you about these events that affect disabled workers for whom we have special attention on this side of the Channel.
        Your duty now is to participate in the outbreak of the scandal by informing your colleagues, friends and families.

        Translated into english from http://sudatosorigin.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... ne-un.html
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          Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

          "A highly virulent campaign of the British government has portrayed the disabled as parasites who take advantage of the system, while fraud represents only 0.5%."

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            Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

            Originally posted by charitynjw View Post
            http://thefullfacts.com/esa/forum/vi...7&p=6282#p6282

            "Sacre Blue" say French ATOS workers about ATOS in UK!
            According to the Daily Mail, 103 suicides have occurred since the implementation of this evaluation.
            Would that be the same Daily Wail that, four years ago, was reporting the fibs, fables and bare-faced untruths of David Fraud as if they were proven facts?

            link 1
            link 2
            link 3

            But then, in the 1930s, the Daily Wail thought that Hitler was good for Germany.

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            • #7
              Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

              I'm not surprised with ATOS assessments, I had one last year and is due for another one in a couple of weeks.
              Last year I was put in WRAG and had one meeting with my 'advisor' at the JCP and was spoken to like I was an idiot. She asked me what I would do if my ESA was stopped and I replied 'see a solicitor' and I told her my 'assessment' was recorded and she became worried I was recording her! But this did the trick, she changed the tune and became friendly..

              My concern is if a disabled person is put in WRAG and is sent to a company like A4E type, who are supposed to evaluate what this person need to get and keep a job is made worse..

              Who's legally responsible? If a healthy person is injured at work Health&Safety would go in and the company would have to pay compensation and fined..where is the disabled person in all this?

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              • #8
                Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

                My friend won his appeal last week at tribunal, after experiencing 8 months of hell.

                The judge recommended far more support than he was previously receiving....so the ATOS report must have been bang on the money.
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                • #9
                  Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

                  Simple solution - Stop relying on a computer system and rely soley on doctors human decisions!
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                  • #10
                    Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

                    I've had an ATOS assessment and I was put on one of the WRAG schemes with a firm called Working Links. Trouble is, FM is so unpredictable you can be not too bad one day and completely wrecked the following day. On a really bad day, you can feel not too bad in the morning and wrecked by lunchtime. I haven't been able to go to any of their sessions since the initial one because of the up and down nature of the FM. Ian Duncan Smith really does need to get real and get the message that it is not those who are genuinely ill and disabled who are a drain on the welfare system - it is the well-off who defraud the system by feigning ill-health and disability.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

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                      HM Treasury spokesman: “There are currently millionaires paying a lower tax rate than ordinary taxpayers. This is the system we have at the moment, but the Government is committed to making it fairer. We’re capping benefits and these figures clearly show why it’s fair to cap tax reliefs for the wealthy as well.”
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                      • #12
                        Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

                        Originally posted by bluebottle View Post
                        I've had an ATOS assessment and I was put on one of the WRAG schemes with a firm called Working Links. Trouble is, FM is so unpredictable you can be not too bad one day and completely wrecked the following day. On a really bad day, you can feel not too bad in the morning and wrecked by lunchtime. I haven't been able to go to any of their sessions since the initial one because of the up and down nature of the FM. Ian Duncan Smith really does need to get real and get the message that it is not those who are genuinely ill and disabled who are a drain on the welfare system - it is the well-off who defraud the system by feigning ill-health and disability.
                        Iain Duncan-Cough and his Lib-Dem side-kick, Chris Grayling, should scrap the whole nonsense of the ATOS "assessments" immediately, as the "specially trained healthcare professionals" are inept and/or downright disingenuous. They cause (as yet) untold suffering to those wrongly assigned to the 'work related' group and worse suffering and hardship to those completely rejected.

                        When the total costs of appeals, tribunals and payment of monies withheld are added to the cost of the ATOS farce, it would be astounding if this rabble had saved any money at all.

                        David Anthony Fraud, Baron Fraud of Eastry in the county of Kent, should be surcharged for this needless and evil nonsense.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Benefits assessment firm causing 'fear and loathing' among claimants, says MP

                          An ATOS assessment can be best likened to the Little Britain sketch where David Walliams comes out with the catchphrase, "The computer says No."

                          The DWP's own staff are unhappy with the situation and are encouraging claimants to appeal. Apparently, a high number of claimants are being put in the Support Group after appealing and a number are getting this without the matter going to an Appeals Tribunal. It is being done at Decision Maker stage.
                          Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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