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Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

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  • Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

    It has recently come to light that there are numerous general consumers who have doubts about how MBNA Limited are calculating their Payment Protection Insurance (PPI) Redress. The methodology that MBNA have been and are using does not appear to conform to the rules as laid down by the 'Regulator', the Financial Conduct Authority (formerly the FSA).

    A Group of concerned General Consumers have joined together by writing to the Chief Executive of the Financial Conduct Authority, Mr. Martin Wheatley - and to the Acting Chief Ombudsman of the Financial Ombudsman Service, Mr. Tony Boorman - requesting their attention and direction. Anyone who feels that they may have been affected by this issue or is concerned by the manner in which MBNA Limited has been or is calculating their PPI Redress may use this template letter if applicable – or adapt it to personalise it. The more people send these letters, the more chance there is of the FOS & FCA investigating the matter and ordering MBNA to recalculate all PPI claims affected by this. Whether you have a claim or not – please send the letters.

    Although we are used to sending such letters 'Tracked' or 'Signed for,' this is not strictly necessary in this case, as it is simple the sheer number of letters that matters. It is good enough of you peeps to spend £1 - £1.20 on a coupla stamps. However, if one is able to visit a post office, then on request they will issue Proof of Postage Certificates FOC.

    NB – in order to fit this letter on to a single A4 sheet, set your left & right margins to 1.35cm (or less) - and top & bottom margins to 0.3 cm (or less). If you download and print the attachments at the bottom of the post, this should be done automatically.

    There may be some who are interested in this matter, but cannot justify the cost of sending these letters - and that is fair enough. However, it would still be a great help if you could email the FOS & FCA a copy of this letter. It costs nothing to do that, and simply needs a few minutes of your time - and a handful of spare electrons.

    Please consider emailing the letter - it would help tremendously with getting this matter looked into seriously. Here are the email addresses:-

    tony.boorman@financial-ombudsman.org.uk

    martin.wheatley@fca.org.uk

    Both letters are attached at the bottom - along with pre-printed DL envelope addresses - and the FCA letter is copied here for quick reading:-


    [Sender’s Name & Address]
    Email:

    Attn: Martin Wheatley - Chief Executive Officer
    Financial Conduct Authority
    25 The North Colonnade
    London Date:
    E14 5HS

    (Identical copy sent to Tony Boorman, Financial Ombudsman Service, South Quay Plaza, 183 Marsh Wall, London, E14 9SR)




    Dear Mr Wheatley,

    Request for Direction for Appropriate Attention - PPI Redress Calculations

    There is a problem emerging that I believe affects tens of thousands of people which you may be unaware of, and I ask you to consider the implications of this - with the corresponding evidence – in a proper degree of depth. I am uncertain as to whether this should be best addressed to the FOS or FCA, but it may well be of equal interest to both.
    The essential problem is that since approx. June 2012, the FOS appears to have been inadvertently allowing a credit card issuer to systematically undercompensate around 25,000 mis-sold PPI claimants whose claims the FOS has upheld. The FOS appears to have allowed the firm (MBNA) to continue to self-report that they are complying with PS 10/12 guidance when calculating redress, while the firm is evidentially not doing so. In comparison with what MBNA are required by PS 10/12 to calculate as a claim settlement (as per examples given in that guidance, or a fair account reconstruction method where required), redress calculations are recently typically 30% to 50% lower. Evidence of this apparent non-compliance in a number of cases can be produced using MBNA’s own documentation and reports.

    I am just one of a group of people working with the above 25,000 - and all of those involved have individual hard evidence supplied by the firm of the firm’s “error-of-judgement”. This error appears to originate at management level and encourages non-compliant redress practices which are designed to appear unfathomable – yet PS10/12 compliant - to an untrained eye. To check the validity of our assertions requires a sharp focus on the methodology used by the firm. This appears – understandably - to be beyond the work requirement of an FOS Adjudicator at case level, and quite possibly beyond that of some Ombudsmen.

    To understand what the firm is doing requires the attention of someone competent to grasp the structure and “intention” of the MBNA redress calculations - in comparison with PS 10/12 requirements. Once one understands the methodology - and results - of the MBNA calculations, they can be compared with what PS10/12 requirements stipulate – and particularly prominent is the contrast with the relevant Appendix 2 Example 6 method. The firm’s calculation method differs from PS 10/12 guidance by selectively making unjustifiable “assumptions,” which it then uses to substantially reduce the overall redress offered in settlement.
    Around June 2012, a particularly imaginative revision was added to the firms VO20_ series of redress calculations, causing all subsequent versions to appear well outside of PS 10/12 requirements. From June 2012, the firm’s calculated redress offers have been in many cases thousands of pounds below what either PS10/12 Example 6 calculates - or what would be calculated using the correct industry regulated standards (such as the FOS-licenced Exasoft Redress Manager, etc.) to calculate a properly reconstructed account.

    Thus I am seeking your help to correct what we believe is the erroneous assumption that if a firm (MBNA in particular) reports to FOS that they have made (or will make, as directed) an “FOS guidance compliant” redress calculation – then this is will be assumed by the FOS to be what they will actually do. This does not appear to have been the case with MBNA for over eighteen months, affecting tens of thousands of people’s claims. It appears that this firm may not have had their calculations properly checked since a similar situation occurred in 2010 which required correction. I therefore seek your help to submit our evidence in a way that ensures that this matter will be properly investigated and acted upon. Perhaps an initial five or ten genuine examples of this calculation method could be forwarded initially to assist the individual that will eventually investigate this matter.

    So it would be most appreciated if you could put me in contact with right person to deal with this matter, when I can then explain in more detail why we believe that MBNA’s calculations are not as per regulatory requirements – and therefore show that this needs to be investigated fully. I thus look forward to your kind assistance with this matter.

    Yours sincerely,


    [Sign Here]

    [Print Sender’s Name] - Forum Group Member.
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    Last edited by Bill-K; 13th February 2014, 21:11:PM. Reason: Revised Letters & Post Content.
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    Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

    Hi Bill,

    Good to hear from you again.

    My first question is "Have Messrs Wheatley and Boorman been checked-out for any conflicts of interest?"

    If either or both have them have any connections, current or past, with MBNA, there is a prima face conflict of interest and it would not only be inappropriate for either or both of them to have any involvement with the matter, but serious questions could be asked as regards propriety and impartiality.

    As I am sure you are well aware, mis-selling is a misnomer concocted by the City of London and the Tories to conceal the fact that fraud was and has been and still is taking place on an astronomical scale. Be in no doubt that you are dealing with addictive gamblers who will do and say anything to get their hands on money or retain money they have managed to cheat out of unsuspecting victims with which they can then go gambling with on the world "markets". The best analogy for these so-called "markets" is to liken them to a huge, global gambling casino with each market being represented by a casino game, e.g. Black Jack, Poker, Roulette, etc.. This is what the banks and other financial institutions have been doing with yours and my money. Trouble is, they got so reckless, things went tits up and the result was the financial crash.

    What MBNA are doing may well amount to fraud as it is an offence to retain and well as obtain money by fraud. I feel yourself and the others who have been affected by MBNA's shenanigans need to do a bit more digging before you start approaching Messrs Wheatley and Boorman. They both need to be thoroughly checked-out in order to minimise any possibility of MBNA being allowed to escape being held to account and pay what their victims are due. I would also strongly recommend that the senior management of both the FCA and FOS are scrutinised for any conflicts of interests.

    Hope this helps.

    Kind regards,

    Bluebottle
    Last edited by bluebottle; 6th February 2014, 10:53:AM.
    Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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      Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

      Many thanks for that BB. That is indeed a point, isn't it, but the problem is that if they are already the head honchos then they will surely have covered their tracks - although Boorman is Acting Chief Ombudsman, having stepped into Natalie Ceeney's office upon her departure last year.
      I doubt if any of us amateurs here could find anything, but perhaps "you know a man who can" ? eep:
      Last edited by Bill-K; 6th February 2014, 11:40:AM.

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      • #4
        Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

        Tony Boorman is from a background in energy regulation rather than banking.

        His details are on the FOS website.

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        • #5
          Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Wheatley

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          • #6
            Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

            http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/tony-boorman/16/1a2/504

            Out of date but gives a better idea of his previous positions:
            Tony Boorman

            Tony Boorman has wide ranging experience of consumer and regulatory issues. He is currently the Deputy Chief Executive and Deputy Chief Ombudsman, Financial Ombudsman Service. The Ombudsman, which is based in London’s docklands, provides a national service which handles over 600,000 customer complaints and enquiries about financial services issues. He appears regularly on TV and radio programmes dealing with consumer and financial issues.Prior to joining the Ombudsman Service in 2000 Tony was Managing Director of Ofgem the gas and electricity market regulator. He started his career in the electricity sector working in a variety of posts in the industry and, following a period with a consumer organisation, he became a founding Director of OFFER - the electricity regulator.
            Tony joined South Warwickshire GH Trust as a non-executive director in 2007. Previously he was a commissioner for judicial appointments overseeing the process used to appoint judges across England and Wales.
            Tony moved to South Warwickshire in 1999 and now lives in Leamington Spa with his wife (who runs her own market research business) and two sons.

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            • #7
              Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

              Phew !!! Well done Springer & AC. It looks like we might be able to avoid the conflict of interests problem, then.

              A point that Springer raised with me privately was that some people might wish to send their own personalised version of the letter. I want to make it clear that there is no stipulation that people stick rigidly to the letter. It is simply there for people to send as it is, or to use as a basis for their own personal letter. It would actually be better if different letters arrived, as it would demonstrate that people were giving it thought before sending the letters.
              So please do go ahead and personalise the letters - just be aware that if what you send is libellous - it ain't my problem !!!

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              • #8
                Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

                I have now revised the first post here, and the two FCA & FOS letters. The letters should now print on to a single A4 sheet if the attachments are dowloaded and printed.

                I have also added attachments for printing out DL-size envelopes. I'll have to leave you to buy the stamps though - sorry...!!!

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                • #9
                  Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

                  As a modest update, those of us who have reported receiving replies so far have all had them from Lynsey Pittaway at the Acting Chief Ombudsman's Office. This suggests to me that she is either the only other person in Tony Boorman's office (how cosy) - or that she has been delegated to collate all the MBNA 'scam' letters, and will hopefully report to Tony when this hits the trigger figger (which we guess to be circa 20-30).

                  I have also heard that MBNA is not the only lender to be doing this (LOL - surprise, surprise - eh, chook !!!)
                  So if this gets a positive result, then it should blow the whistle and stop this from being (ab)used by other lenders as well. Additionally, it should result in automatic recalculations of previous settlements, I believe.

                  This has been getting excellent support from other forums - and even CAG have allowed the post !!! - but you LB Consumer Champions seem to be rather quiet in contrast. Perhaps it is just good old LB modesty though, and I am grateful to all who have simply done their bit and sent the letters in. Thank you whoever you are, on behalf of all those thousands of PPI claimants whom we are all trying to assist - and whom you will have assisted by your kind action.

                  I have added this to the first post:- Although we are used to sending such letters 'Tracked' or 'Signed for,' this is not strictly necessary in this case, as it is simply the sheer number of letters that matters. It is good enough of you peeps to spend £1 - £1.20 on a coupla stamps. However, if one is able to visit a post office, then on request they will issue Proof of Postage Certificates FOC.
                  Last edited by Bill-K; 10th February 2014, 16:40:PM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

                    More replies from Lynsey. Both AAD and CAG reporting this.

                    Be great if we can via consumer power actually do something here.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

                      It is beginning to look possible, Ken - and it is good to see the major and the minor forums running together with it.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

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                        • #13
                          Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

                          Bill, I don't know if you've considered it but how about reporting it to the FCA Whistleblowing?

                          http://www.fca.org.uk/site-info/contact/whistleblowing

                          It worked for me once when during the PPI Judicial Review I sent a BBA members' document to FSA Whistleblowing that exposed the BBA policy of not complying with PS 10/12 while publically saying they were which resulted in the issue being specifically referred to in a warning letter to the banks.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

                            Thanks for subscribing, DT - I hope all is going well with your own battles, with that clock still ticking away !!!

                            And thank you for that suggestion, EXC. Our little MBNA discussion group has been focussing on the detail of the matter, and suggestions from peeps like yourself who know their way around 'the City' are most valuable. I think we should consider this, as we are currently receiving acknowledgements from the FOS, but nowt from the FCA.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Misleading MBNA PPI Redress Calculations Leading to Reduced Settlement Offers

                              Thank you Bill, Sainsbury washed their hands and sold out to Arrow Global, who keep sending " on hold" letters.
                              Sharklys I am convinced, have something to do with this sort of thing so quite prepared to adapt your letter accordingly, got my self a new printer so will set my self this as soon as I can.
                              Thank you for all your help.
                              Never give up, Never surrender.

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