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    My Father-in-law died just over two years ago and around the second anniversary of his death my Mother-in-law received a letter from Phillips & Cohen Associates Ltd.

    They offered their sincere condolences following the death of Mr xxxxxxx and informed "The Estate of the late Mr xxxxxxx" that they were there to help and could offer "specialist" advice. Oh and they wanted some money, but that was merely an afterthought, barely worth mentioning really and nothing to worry about, just a trifling matter....

    Apparently his Morgan Stanley Platinum card had an outstanding balance and they were authorised by Morgan Stanley to collect this sum.

    I was passed the letter and I telephoned them and asked if they knew that Mr xxxxxxx had actually died over two years ago and that the estate had been disbursed.

    They did not.

    They did however ask if there were any relatives willing to take on the debt, by which of course they meant "pay" the debt.

    I suggested that they were out of time, given that they really should have made this request within six months of receiving the death certificate.

    Since then I have received three further telephone calls. One was merely a repeat of the telephone call I made to them, informing me that the money was owed and needed to be paid, although they did concede that their request had no force in law. The second was offering a reduction of some £900 off the total sum apparently owing and the third to suggest instalments as a way of easing the burden for any relatives willing to pay this bill.

    After today, I don't think they will be calling again however.

    Morgan Stanley sent a Statutory Default Notice for this account too, as it was not paid fast enough apparently. He was one month behind (well, that and dead of course!) and they went for the default.

    I do not advocate irresponsibility toward borrowing or debt but it appears to me that they should look again at their lending criteria and ensure they have adequate cover for this one inescapable eventuality.

    I really did not think the debt recovery business could sink any lower.

    I was wrong.

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    Re: Phillips & Cohen Associates Ltd

    Oh Cet thats pure horrid, just how low will they sink.

    I remember in 1994 when my father passed away we phoned Barclaycard and informed them of his death, all we had to do was send a copy of the certificate and I do believe we heard nothing further.

    Surely when someone passes away unsecured debts die with them, or am I being niaeve (sorry about the spelling).

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    • #3
      Re: Phillips & Cohen Associates Ltd

      When someone dies, any debts they leave are paid out of their estate. Unsecured debt, such as credit card debt is fairly low down the list of things that need to be paid from the estate.

      The only debt that dies with the debtor is a gambling debt, all others remain, but it does not always follow that they will be paid, hence the existence of bottom-feeders such as this lot.

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      • #4
        Re: Phillips & Cohen Associates Ltd

        It is shocking and they have no compassion at all.
        Can I just ask, is it withing six months then that they have to claim the money, from the date they received the death certificate? If so can they do nothing about it at a later date?

        Also why was the default notice a no no?

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        • #5
          Re: Phillips & Cohen Associates Ltd

          Originally posted by enaid View Post
          It is shocking and they have no compassion at all.
          Can I just ask, is it withing six months then that they have to claim the money, from the date they received the death certificate? If so can they do nothing about it at a later date?

          Also why was the default notice a no no?
          Creditors can apply for a share of the estate and must apply within 6 months of the date on which probate or letters of administration are taken out. The court can allow later application in special circumstances but are unlikely to allow it for a credit card debt.

          The default notice was meaningless because he had died, so to be fair, would have had some difficulty writing and sending a cheque. They knew this because within two weeks all creditors had been sent a copy of the death certificate along with a covering letter regarding the estate.

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          • #6
            Re: Phillips & Cohen Associates Ltd

            Thank you, my lesson for today Enaid x

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            • #7
              Re: Phillips & Cohen Associates Ltd

              Originally posted by enaid View Post
              Thank you, my lesson for today Enaid x
              Lesson 2 lol there is no G on within pmsl

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              • #8
                Re: Phillips & Cohen Associates Ltd

                It's terrible the depths that DCA's will sink to, they really just don't care about anything other than collecting as much money as possible do they. It's normally at the time when people are at their lowest too, makes me so mad!
                My belated condolences Cetelco.

                Some informative links regarding debt after death:
                http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governme...ey/DG_10029657
                http://www.thewillexpert.co.uk/DebtAfterDeath.html
                http://www.insolvencyhelpline.co.uk/...fter-death.htm
                You can't scare me, I have children.

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