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HELP PLS! Moriarty Law and Lantern DRS threatening court against guarantor of Amigo

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  • HELP PLS! Moriarty Law and Lantern DRS threatening court against guarantor of Amigo

    Grateful for any advice and guidance I can get please!!

    My Uncle "CG" was a guarantor for another of my Uncle's "EG" loans with Amigo Loans back in 2015. The loan amount was £3,500 with an interest of £4,800.23 at 49.9%.

    In August 2023 the account with Amigo Loans was transferred to Lantern DRS. No contact was made by Lantern DRS to CG.

    Moriarty Law sent a letter before Christmas threatening court action against CG if he does not pay the balance of £2,856.07. We responded to Moriarty Law asking for a copy of the signed agreement, written notice that the debt was assigned to Lantern DRS, and an up-to-date statement of account for the debt. We also asked whether Mortiarty Law, Lantern DRS, or Amigo Loans have attempted any contact with the debtor, EG. We have not admitted/acknowledged the debt. CG and EG are unfortunately no longer on speaking terms before this issue even arose.

    They have responded providing the requested documents. The statement shows that the regular monthly repayments in the agreed sum of £138.34 have always been paid by EG (with only 7 missed payments) until May 2023. We calculated that he has so far paid £13,557.32 - it will not let me upload the statement so I have copied a few on the first lines at the end of this post for you guys to confirm I am reading the table correctly!

    Since 2015 CG has suffered serious health complications and is unable to work. He lives off of Universal Credit and PIP. He has no assets or savings, and has other non-priority debts. As such he cannot afford this looming over him due to health and financial difficulties. The plan is to request Lantern DRS to write off the balance due under the serious health complications that CG has together with his difficult financial circumstances.

    We have to respond within 14 days. I wanted to double-check the following:
    1. Do I have to provide them with a full budget breakdown that has been completed with the National Debtline?
    2. Do we have a case to argue they have already received £13k so far? Would Section 140 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 apply?
    3. Is there anything important that we have missed, needs to be done, or something we should not do or say? If they refuse to write it off my Uncle CG will either decide to take the insolvency route or proceed to defend in court.

    Thank you all - really appreciate the guidance and support as this is all new to us.
    Period of this statement: 19/05/2015 to 15/12/2023
    Original Creditor: Amigo Loans Limited
    Date of agreement: 19/05/2015
    Amount of the principal loan advanced: £3500.00
    Opening Balance at the start of the statement period: £3500.00
    Current Closing Balance at the end of the statement period: £2856.07
    Please find below a breakdown of transactions during the period of the statement
    Transaction Date Description Credit Debit Account Balance
    19/05/2015 Original Principle Amount £3,500.00 £3,500.00
    02/07/2015 Interest £173.66 £3,535.32
    02/07/2015 Direct Debit -£138.34 £3,535.32
    02/08/2015 Interest £123.59 £3,520.57
    02/08/2015 Direct Debit -£138.34 £3,520.57
    (as mentioned this is only a few lines from pages of statements, but the pattern remains the same)
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  • #2
    I would wish to examine the guarantee to check whether the benefit can be assigned. Have you seen the complete document?
    Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

    Litigants in Person should download and read this: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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    • #3
      Since posting the above, I have found online an example of the standard wording of an Amigo Loans guarantee. Sadly, it contains wording that permits assignment.

      There is a small chance that the wording of this guarantee may differ.
      Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

      Litigants in Person should download and read this: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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      • #4
        Originally posted by atticus View Post
        Since posting the above, I have found online an example of the standard wording of an Amigo Loans guarantee. Sadly, it contains wording that permits assignment.

        There is a small chance that the wording of this guarantee may differ.
        Thank you Atticus for responding so promptly, it is greatly appreciated!

        Could you kindly confirm I am right in thinking the original debtor has paid £13k to date?

        When we requested a copy of the agreement, this is all that was provided (copied below) - should we have received more?

        Guarantee and Indemnity subject to the Consumer Credit Act 1974
        Agreement Number WSF 25134918
        We (Amigo) Amigo Loans Ltd company registration number 4841153 of Walton House, 56-58 Richmond Hill, Bournemouth, BH2 6EX.
        You (the Guarantor) Mr XXXX
        Borrower Mr XXXX
        Credit Intermediary (your broker) Amigo Loans

        Amount of credit £3,500.00
        Loan term 60 months
        Number of repayments 60
        Amounts of Repayments £138.34
        APR (Variable) 49.9%
        Rate of interest charged 49.9% per annum (variable)
        Total Amount Payable £8,300.23 which consists of: (a) amount of credit: £3,500.00 (b) total interest of: £4,800.23

        IMPORTANT - YOU SHOULD READ THIS CAREFULLY YOUR RIGHTS
        The Consumer Credit Act 1974 covers this Guarantee & Indemnity and lays down certain requirements for your protection. If they are not carried out, the creditor cannot enforce this Guarantee & Indemnity against you without a court order. Until the Agreement between the creditor and the debtor has been made, you can change your mind about giving the Guarantee & Indemnity. If you wish to withdraw you must give WRITTEN notice to Amigo Loans, which must reach him BEFORE the main agreement is made. Once it has been made you can no longer change your mind.

        Under this Guarantee & Indemnity YOU MAY HAVE TO PAY INSTEAD of the borrower and fulfil any other obligations under the Guarantee & Indemnity. (But you cannot be made to pay more than he could have been made to pay unless he is under 18). However, if the debtor fails to keep his side of the Agreement, Amigo Loans must send him a default notice (and a copy to you) giving him a chance to put things right before any claim is made on you.
        If you would like to know more about your rights under the Act, you should contact either your local Trading Standards Department or your nearest Citizens’ Advice Bureau. This Guarantee & Indemnity includes: the terms, statement of rights and information above and the Terms and Conditions.

        This is a Guarantee and Indemnity subject to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. If the borrower fails to keep to his Agreement with Amigo, YOU MAY HAVE TO PAY INSTEAD and fulfil any other obligations under the Guarantee & Indemnity. Sign only if you want to be legally bound by its terms.

        As you are entering this Guarantee and Indemnity in the form of an electronic communication, instead of signing in your handwriting, please type in your
        name below and then click the “I Accept” button, this will have the same effect as if you had signed the Guarantee and Indemnity in your handwriting.
        Date of Signature
        Name of Guarantor
        18th May 2015
        XXXXX
        Signed on behalf of Amigo
        Date of Signature

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        • #5
          That does not contain a term permitting assignment.

          Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

          Litigants in Person should download and read this: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/..._in_Person.pdf

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          • #6
            Originally posted by atticus View Post
            That does not contain a term permitting assignment.
            What does that mean?

            Moriarty Law also provided a letter written in August 2023 with Amigo's heading addressed to the guarantor (which he never recieved) stating: "Following an internal review, we recognise that your account has remained in arrears for a long period of time. Therefore, we have made the decision to transfer ownership of your account to Lantern Debt Recovery Services Ltd, a third-party specialist".

            Thank you for your support.

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