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  • Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for amount

    Hello all,
    Forgive my freshness to this wonderful forum, I have an ongoing issue with Santander (relating to a close Alliance & Leicester account) and I'm not sure they're acting legally here, any help will be most gratefully received.

    I had a "bog standard" current account with Alliance and Leicester which I closed over the counter in 2010 with a balance of £0. Reasons that are not clear led to Santander not actioning this account closure (the branch closed a week or two later, just to add to the complexities of attempting to find out what happened) and a Direct Debit was taken approximately six weeks after my closure instruction, as the account closure had not been actioned the payment sent me overdrawn, and I incurred subsequent charges.

    I disputed that this amount was owed as the account had been closed, to which I was informed the account was very much open and that no request to close the account had been received. Eventually I received a default from the now Santander for £77 and threatened with various legal wranglings for them to recover this, the overdrawn amount was around £5, the rest being made up of Santanders' charges.

    A small forest was consumed in various letters backwards and forwards to address the matter with Santander eventually referring me to the FOS and essentially washing their hands of the case - they believed that he default was entirely justified and had no record of the account being closed.

    Towards the beginning of this year I received a letter seemingly out-of-the-blue from Santander saying my case had been subject to an internal review, and good news, the amount had been wiped, my credit file had been adjusted accordingly and the amount owed would be £0 as they had "charged me during a period when they agreed that they would not be charging until the outcome of the charges case etc." Whist I see this didn't strictly admit liability in my case I was relieved and was grateful to accept this explanation.

    I believed this to be the end of the matter, until I checked my credit file.

    Santander, to their credit have set a £0 balance, and have marked the default as satisfied (from the date of their review) but still shows that the account was defaulted (a satisfaction not appearing to offer much more chance of my house purchase than an unpaid default) and merely that I satisfied the amount. The 'late payment' data remains back to the point they initially chased me for the money, and it's still rather a large 'black mark' on my credit file, also as the amount was set as satisfied at the beginning of this year theoretically this will not remove itself until 2018. Not helpful in the slightest really.


    Further communications with Santander elicits the staple reply "we have a duty to maintain records with the CCAs to reflect the conduct of customers' accounts" or similar, and they are saying that I was still "in default" and that my hesitancy to pay must still be recorded.
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    Any suggestions how to move this further? I'm not very good at the legalese but if anybody knows any laws which I can quote regarding how the data must be valid etc I'd be most kind.

    I can post bits of the paper-trail up with redacted details if anybody is interested, huge box-file sitting here!

    Thank you for taking the time to read this if you have got this far, and I thank anybody in advance for their help!
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    Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

    Hi [MENTION=53699]Ed Reardon[/MENTION], welcome to LB :doggieyes:

    I'm sure some knowledgeable Beagles will be along soon to give you some advice!!

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    • #3
      Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

      Thanks [MENTION=49370]Kati[/MENTION]

      I hope so, my wife has a glowing credit report, we have a 10% deposit on the property we want to buy and a reasonable income, but I can't get accepted with this blasted mark on my credit file.

      The sheer, insurmountable asininity dealing with this idiots is really starting to get me down!

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      • #4
        Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

        Did you ever go to the FOS then?

        May be worth emailing ceo@santander.co.uk with a formal complaint, telling them that you will be taking the matter to the FOS and ICO as appropriate if the default is not removed. Unlike many "ceo" email addresses, that one seems to be monitored and often gets a prompt response and action.

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        • #5
          Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

          I didn't approach the FOS, feeling that they'd side with the bank; I've been advised this is usually the case, so it felt a complete waste of 'life-force' to bother.

          I will try the address that you've so kindly provided [MENTION=1508]Nibbler[/MENTION], hopefully I can get a decent outcome from this!

          Many thanks!

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          • #6
            Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

            "Dear Mr. Reardon

            I am sorry but I am afraid there is nothing further I can add to what has been said previously and any further communication received from you in relation to this matter will be matched to the file and no response issued.

            Yours sincerely,
            Lauren Brooks
            Executive Complaints Manager"

            I don't think I've ever been so infuriated.

            Any suggestions what to do next?

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            • #7
              Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

              Originally posted by Ed Reardon View Post
              "Dear Mr. Reardon

              I am sorry but I am afraid there is nothing further I can add to what has been said previously and any further communication received from you in relation to this matter will be matched to the file and no response issued.

              Yours sincerely,
              Lauren Brooks
              Executive Complaints Manager"

              I don't think I've ever been so infuriated.

              Any suggestions what to do next?

              She's a snotty cow if ever there was one If she sent me a letter like that my next one would be an LBA followed in 14 days by an application to the court for defamation

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              • #8
                Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

                Any more suggestions please people?

                Is there grounds to go to the ICO?

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                • #9
                  Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

                  In a word yes

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                  • #10
                    Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

                    Thank you [MENTION=365]righty[/MENTION]

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                    • #11
                      Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

                      I've asked them to commit a letter to file, it brings no new argument, just an outline of my position and how this complaint has bought a great deal of emotional and financial stress upon myself.

                      I am now researching launching a case with the ICO, I shall report back!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

                        Well, it seems as if the inept, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathers at Santander have changed their tune, much to the good.

                        Admittedly not expecting much I submitted a case to the ICO, a few days later I received the normal template reply of "we'll get back to you before the end of the century". A few days ago I checked my credit file to notice that the errant Santander account has not been marked as satisfied, and with plenty of green ticks all the way back to the inception of the account! They are no longer reporting any false or misleading data.

                        I'm awaiting a reply (and, with every hope an apology) for their actions after being rebuffed when I advised them I would contact the ICO, them making the defence that "we've nothing to add, we've behaved entirely correctly...."

                        As this default has made obtaining credit difficult (even my mobile phone has had to be taken out by my wife) and I've been stung with 29.9% APR credit cards and frequent embarrassments when applying for credit, are there grounds to obtain damages as this error has cost me considerable amounts of money over the last five/six years!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

                          "Further communications with Santander elicits the staple reply "we have a duty to maintain records with the CCAs to reflect the conduct of customers' accounts"

                          This is rubbish IMO ..a duty to who??? There is no Statute or Law under which it states a lender has a duty to maintain records with the CRA's ..they do it by choice........if you can prove the info on your credit file is inaccurate in any way.............I would suggest you point Santander to Our Appeal Court ruling. I think it "could" help you a lot to get it removed.
                          Grace and another v Black Horse Limited - [2014] All ER (D) 05 (Nov)


                          Just my opinion but I am NOT a legal person

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                          • #14
                            Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

                            Well, a letter has just arrived!
                            The second page I've omitted as it's just a line about "offering first class service" and the closing of the letter.

                            Santander have cost me a great deal of money!

                            Where to go from here to recover that money? They made a goodwill payment of £150, this doesn't come close I'm afraid!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Santander - Refusing to remove default although they've admitted liability for am

                              Is it correct that you accepted the payment for distress caused........if you did I think that throws a big spanner into the works for any further claim....unless you can prove actual pecuniary loss.....If you are considering proceeding any further I would suggest you get legal advice first.

                              Sparkie

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