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Unregulated loan and Legal & Documentation Fee

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  • #16
    Re: Unregulated loan and Legal & Documentation Fee

    Having chatted with Jumper about this earlier, I'm glad she has started a thread for this. I'm not very good at the finer points of agreements & terms, so it is good that Sparkie & Gallahad can help. Gallahad's agreement does seem to have exactly the same "LDF anomaly" as Jumper's, in that the LDF is actually listed as zero, but the itemised figures above the LDF line in the agreement have ALL been included in the total loan advance in Jumper's case. If these amounts are indeed all LDF's (and we may need to try and get further confirmaton of this from Blemain, as well as from the brokers) - then according to the agreement terms, they should surely NOT have been included in the advance.

    The way that I ascertained this inclusion in Jumper's case was to check the opening loan account statement. In J's case, there were several amounts listed at the start of the loan, but the final balance owing at the END of day 1 was IDENTICAL to the total shown in line G of the itemised agreement figures. This indicates that - not only were these fees being paid gradually over the period of the loan - but account interest was being charged on them. If this is the case, then I believe the amount of each monthly payment which is directly attributable to these fees (and which also includes the attributable account interest) should be refunded - along with an additional 8% Statutory interest. The loan should then be re-scheduled with lower repayments, and the PDF's should then be payable upon loan settlement/redemption (with NO interest added).

    As HH John Pugh stated, this can amount to several thousand pounds over the course of the loan, so it seems worth looking into. I think it may well be worth Gallahad checking his opening statement as mentioned above, as he may well have a possible claim also.

    From what I can see, the calculation of any claimed redress in this matter is almost identical to calculations used for Single-Premium PPI claims - the only difference being that the LDF's still have to be paid upon settlement of the loan. What the claimant is effectively recovering is the extra interest they have been charged on this.

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    • #17
      Re: Unregulated loan and Legal & Documentation Fee

      Thanks Bill for your valuable input and helping so quick in understanding what I asked.

      I was just having a thought about an argument that could be made from this.....its just a thought. Yes if what we have discovered and what John Pugh has advised is correct we may possibly be entitled to a refund plus interest on top.

      BUT in a defence could it not be looked at from s140A (c) CCA Act 1974? Something the lender DID OR DID NOT DO? Which
      was make sure the agreement was drafted correctly? But I belive Blemain deliberately drafted the agreement incorrectly in order to make more money from borrowers.....in the hope no one would find out or be able to work out?

      Its not about getting the overpayments back that I want to focus on at present......but its what Blemain have done and what would be their penalty if it could be proved they were deceitful?

      Just like they were when they used Monarch Recoveries......all those 35 letter charges....and they add buidings insurance.....the list is endless.

      Only my views on this matter regarding the LDF's.

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      • #18
        Re: Unregulated loan and Legal & Documentation Fee

        If you're looking past just reclaiming the apparently overpaid interest, then we're now more into legal terminology and interpretation, I think. That's more likely to be in Sparkie's or Gallahad's domain than mine - also Flaming Parrot, Plan B and/or PT2357. The best I can offer there is to say that the CCA can usually only be strictly applied to CCA-Regulated agreements, and I don't think that either yours or Gallahad's agreements are CCA-regulated. I think this is possibly why HHJ Pugh was not very supportive of this as the basis for a claim.

        But it could well be that a Group Action might be possible, if - as may be possible - a large number of Blemain's agreements were faulty in this respect. Oak trees from little acorns grow - and perhaps starting with a handful of claims for repayment of LDF interest might be the way to proceed ?

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        • #19
          Re: Unregulated loan and Legal & Documentation Fee

          Great idea Bill.

          Maybe the first place to start is by writing to Blemain and bring this matter to their attention and ask for an explanation on why this term is so misleading and confusing? just to see what response they give?

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          • #20
            Re: Unregulated loan and Legal & Documentation Fee

            Personally, I wouldn't let them know what you are up to, so it might be better to play the gullible fool (one of my fortés :tinysmile_aha_t: !!!) and "ever so respectfully" ask them if there were any PDF's on the agreement, as you "can't see anything called a PDF" - but you have noticed that these have to be paid upon settlement, and you need to know how much these will be. If they say 'yes,' then get them to identify them clearly. If they say 'no,' then get them to clearly state that all the itemised charges are not PDF's. At this stage, do not mention any contact with Ocean, or any specific items. Softlee, softlee, catchee monkey - that's my humble suggestion, FWIW.

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            • #21
              Re: Unregulated loan and Legal & Documentation Fee

              Jumper has been an inspiration. She has never given up to these people, and has been rewarded with exactly what she deserved

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