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Riveleno v Santander/A&L - default notice issues

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  • Riveleno v Santander/A&L - default notice issues

    Hi
    Unsure if I need to post new thread but hope I'm in the right section.I have been to court over various issues with A&L>Santander re: a regulated unsecured loan agreement. I have recently come away from court and was unsure if there are any active solicitors posting wthin the Bristol area. I have read as much as I can within the forum but this does seem to be an odd one and feel that it's mainly compounded by the Takeover of A&L by Santander (right hand doesn't have a clue what the left hand is doing) However I will try to keep it as condensed as possible and avoid unnecessary padding!! Will also keep dates approximate

    1. A&L sent me numerous 'notice of default sums' from late 2008 (loan balance @ £21k).
    2. Early 2009 further letters culminating "we will register your account in default in 14 days and issue you wih a Notice of Default under Section 87 of the CCA 1974"
    3. No default notice was forthcoming as required under section 87 but they registered the default on my credit file along with a few more notice of default sums after the prescribed date (Date of default) and debited to the loan account i.e. was the loan live or terminated. Arrears @ £4,012.89.
    4. Account passed to solicitors who issue claim mid 2009 through Northampton for @ £25k. No evidence of default notice submitted with claim.
    5. They put forward an application notice early 2010 with typical "defendant has no real prospect of succesfully defending the claim, blah blah"
    6. My main defence being no default notice issued prior to termination (account passed to solicitors) on or around mid 2009.
    7. However I receive a default notice from Santander prior to hearing @ a month ago stating arrears as £3,768.45 which contradicts 3 above in relation to the arrears stated @ early 2009. I have therefore received a default notice @ a year after the original advices (notice of default sums') and termination (passed to solicitors) with the incorrect arrears amount (irregular?). They also appear to continue to communicate with me as though the loan is live and I continue to get DCA letters and statements of account from them.
    8. I have been granted a month's adjournment to seek advice and submit my revised and/or amended final defence.
    9. While in court Santander's representative quoted case law @ HSBC v Carey (I think) which he inferred that irrespective of whether a default notice was issued correctly it still entitled the claimant to judgement albeit that the judgement could not be enforced.
    Any help is greatly appreciated.
    Regards
    Last edited by Rivelino; 25th August 2010, 12:20:PM.

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    Re: Riveleno v Santander/A&L - default notice issues

    Hi,

    I am looking an an A&L loan for a friend of mine.

    They too haven't had a default notice sent to them, but a default has been registered, and they refer to sending her a default notice.

    They have just advised her that A&L are now Santander, and send an arrears statement.

    She requested a CCA over a year ago, recieved it, there are some issues with it that are solely relavant to her so I won't discuss here.

    I sent a letter for her in early 2009, had a couple of "we are looking into your complaint", and then nothing from the middle of 2009 - which speaks volumes.

    But .... when re-reading the CCA the other week, I spotted that the loan amount was a few hundred £s more than:-

    The amount of loan she aplied and was accepted for
    The sum confirmed in her letter of "funds deposited"
    The sum deposited in her bank account by BACS

    The CCA says no personal loan protection was taken ....

    Accordingly when checking the APR % it is wrong, and outside of tollerances. (which are -0.1% to +1.0% to the % stated in thte CCA).

    My first thing to say is to try and get something more robust than "none receipt of a DN" as part of your defence - which yes is very valid as it prohibited and took away your lawful right for remedy of the account, but the recent Brandon case could be used by Sant. to dismiss this (i.e even if you received one at the time, in their opinion you wouldn't have remedied the breach anyway) ... I know its wrong to presume like this but with some case law on it a DJ un familiar with consumer credit law may well just go in their favour ....


    So we need some more ... the devils very much in the detail .... you need to inspect every part of the copy agreement you got, the main areas where they can, and do go wrong, are that you should:-
    • Check that the amount of loan you applied for and was deposited in your bank - matches the amount of loan quoted on the CCA
    • Check the monthly amounts and term quoted in the CCA to the sums taken from your bank account - do they match ?
    • Did they sell you PPI at point of sale - did you ask for it, was it suitable, where you forced to take it to qualify for the loan ?
    • If you did purchase PPI is this disclosed in the CCA ?
    • If you did purchase PPI, was this included in the total charge for credit (TCC) or actual amount of credit ?
    As I say the "devils in the detail" and you may just stumble on something useful .....

    "fee free consumer credit solicitors" ... have you checked your yellow pages ?

    Hope this helps, I will help as much as I can ...

    P

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