You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Looking at the video you have posted up. This chap seems an educated man in his reasoning, but misguided.

We are governed by consent, you can go back to the roman empire with the senate as an example. We have the legislature, that being parliament to set obligations and standards to live by. It must be good as it has been in existence, common law since 1066.

Our consent to make laws is through a general election through a political parties election manifesto, so how can he say he has not been given a choice, it is called the ballot box.

I GIVE UP

He is going on about admiralty law now, what the hell has admiralty law got to do with contracts, it is true we have common or civil law, and little known Admiralty law if you want to go back to its founder in England, Eleanor of Aquitaine 800 years ago.

Admiralty Law is now used when a ship is registered to a certain country and flies that countries flag. The ship then operates under the laws of that country. It is just a form of law to govern Navigation, Commerce, and Shipping.

The UK no longer has American colonies who used to operate under Admiralty law, they might have when "Britannia ruled the Waves"

I give up on this argument

[GO84]

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Yes, he must be following this freeman on the land thing, I just couldn't remember if he used that term or not, but the things he says, in for example this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNU8fN1JKCA all seem to point towards it.

Here's a good article: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman...nce_techniques
And here's one from The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...gy-bullet-debt

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

It is very dangerous this FMOTL Doctrine

From my own investigations, it seems it has originated from Canada

As i have stated previous, not one defence that has been used in any court has been successful with the followers of this cult, and i will call it a cult as it has absolutely no status in modern society and avoid of any established practice.

People who use this will end up in serious trouble, not only in the civil courts, but criminal also. I have great respect for the impartiality of the judiciary and their fairness, but their patience will only go so far if people do not accept the consequences of their actions

That is just my own personal opinion and no disrespect meant

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I don't know. He's going through a bunch of letters. Maybe the one he reads at the end is just referring to one particular incident and they've let him off this one ticket (a couple of minutes earlier he says he told lies when appealing against one ticket) God, I hope not too many others take his very dubious advice.

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

He could SAY the letter has been signed in gold by Elvis Presley.....

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

It's what it apparentely says on the letter he reads out.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Cases are never closed, how can he state that as fact, he has no authority to make such a claim as the action has been brought by a third party

All that his statement means is that the enforcement officers have returned the obligations back to the originator, that is all

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

He made a video called How I Beat Council Parking Tickets and The Bailiffs where at the end he says (reading from a letter) "this case is now closed" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTb3s1T_SU It's half an hour long, it's totally up to you whether you watch it, personally I haven't been able to stomach the whole thing, a week ago I just skipped through it.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Parking tickets do not get wiped, i am talking of local authority or police tickets

Its just they may not enforce them, they may in say 10 years time, depends if they have been to court or not

A police ticket will end up in a magistrates court if you do not pay

A local authority ticket will end up in a county court, or at least a liability order

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

This is what I thought all along, it feels like common sense to me, I just lack the legal knowledge. I'm just amazed he's gotten away with it for so long (15 tickets from the council over 6 years he says) it's like the kind of story they put in tabloids. He also said "Parking tickets get wiped off after so many months, by law." Is this true?

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Gravytrain summed up the argument as i would have

We both have the same opinion on this matter and that this individual on you-tubes way of thinking has no lawful concept in modern law,

All law, Statutory or Civil (Common) has to be compatible with Common law principles, something he seems to negate

Law is never static, it changes every time a judge makes a decision and evolves

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

To Forceofone: I am not a law student, my opinion is that while it's not a serious crime to park without paying, it isn't really right to flout reasonable rules (it's not wrong to charge for parking) that others follow and expect to get away with it so easily and encourage others to do the same (he could easily mislead people and they could get into trouble) And saying the government is really bad and Nazi-ish and a New World Order is taking over is BS in my opinion. The world may have many flaws but that kind of belief is too over-the-top for me to take seriously.

And as for TV licences and things like that, I think there's nothing wrong with them, you can't always expect to get something for nothing.

I would suggest not arguing with him though he seems content in his views and until he states them in front of a judge he will probably not admit he has it wrong and probably not even then.

I think you're right, and unless there's anything I haven't said to him that anyone really thinks I should say, I think I should probably leave him alone now. I just can't believe that he thinks he's not gotten into trouble yet because he's done nothing wrong. He thinks parking charges aren't really legitimate, it's just a money-making scam by councils. Nonsense.

[gravytrain]

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It's the comments I want you to read, I'm not asking you to watch the video again.

Sorry my mistake, I did see the comments but I turned off when I saw the swearing, as it is usually means what follows is not worth the effort involved in reading.

His basic mistake is that he denies the existence of civil legislature or statute. At a basic level he is right in saying that the individuals rights are important, unfortunately times have moved on since they were paramount, now the collective will of society takes that description, and this is enacted through the legislation. I would suggest not arguing with him though he seems content in his views and until he states them in front of a judge he will probably not admit he has it wrong and probably not even then.

[FORCEOFONE]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

It just seems you have a keen interest in this subject, and i was looking at getting your own interpretation on it.

like i said, i respect all views and the rights of people to express those views

[GO84]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Why?