You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

[GO84]

There's this bloke on Youtube I've come across this evening. He clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and does seem rather confused and deluded. He thinks his council can't make him pay for parking fines because it's public property, so he thinks it belongs to everyone and they're just trying to con people to make money. So presumably he's using city car parks without bothering to pay. I've tried to talk sense to him, but he keeps blocking me.

He's heard of the "No contract" thing, where supposedly if you write that on a PCN and send it back, they can't touch you. And he keeps referring to the 1689 Bill of Rights. I have never studied the law but I do have common sense. Just tell me it's not true that you don't have to pay parking fines (unless it's from a private company but that's been stopped now, hasn't it?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntxu1nwP8m8

It's quite sad really. He has a baby that he's refused to give a vaccination to for some misguided reason.

[Sir Vere Brayne d'Emmidge]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I was issued a ticket by TNC despite having a valid ticket that had fallen from my windscreen, they have now increased the price and are threatening court action if i do nit pay within 7 days, does anyone have any suggestions of what I should do? Othe general consensus seems to be that I just ignore these letters, is that right?

Don't ignore the letters, respond to them by aknwoleging having received them and include a photocopy of the ticket in question, if yo haven't got the ticket then payup as soon as possible to avoid the increase in costs.

[Cee1984]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I was issued a ticket by TNC despite having a valid ticket that had fallen from my windscreen, they have now increased the price and are threatening court action if i do nit pay within 7 days, does anyone have any suggestions of what I should do? Othe general consensus seems to be that I just ignore these letters, is that right?

[margoose]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I have no problem with anyone wishing to live their life how they choose. Every man (and woman) has the right to decide what (s)he does in life.

My issue with FMOTL is that they want to pick and choose which bits of our society they accept and which ones they don't. I don't like paying council tax, I don't like my council and I don't think they justify the money that they extract from me each year. However, in a democratic, civilised society, we have to accept a majority decision on things, otherwise there would be anarchy at every step of the way.


How would someone feel if a disabled person couldn't park their car because a fmotl was parked there. How would you feel if a fmotl ran over a child and then stated that he wasn't insured because he didn't believe he should buy insurance. How would you feel if your road tax went up £10 because you had to subsidise all the fmotl who were driving round tax free?

Fmotl is an ideal that will never work in a democracy that 60 odd million live in. Fmotl want to cherry pick the benefits they receive. They want to give their names in order to obtain passports but don't want to give them when the police stop them. They are happy for all benefits councils provide, including health and education but expect others to pay for it. They are quite happy for the police to act on their oath but do not want to contribute to the maintaining a police force.

Fmotl may have idealistic values but the movement has been hijacked (certainly in the UK) by freeloaders and attention seeking drama queens.

Some interesting arguments that would make good further discussion points. If someone injured a child they would surely be lawfully liable, and nothing to do with their legal opinion on insurance. If the government allowed someone to get away with not paying tax, in any form, and made you subsidise it, they would surely be proving the tax is unlawful and that you are being conned? You would then follow suit, no?

It's not designed to let people get away with whatever they want, it's to protect people from tyranny. The point is we consent to this way of life (to be taxed or fined) and there is no lawful requirement for us to do so. If someone decides to exercise their lawful rights and another person doesn't, that's their choice and not a lot to do with a democratic society. Besides British democracy doesn't exist today, we live in the mere illusion of democracy.

I'm not advocating rejecting everything legal, nor am I promoting the freeman movement, I'm just iterating that the lawful concepts are real and they're intended to protect against the various authorities that govern us, from overstepping their mark. The Rule of Law and Constitution must always prevail otherwise it's a slippery slope to Communism.

[Kati]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

FYP.

M1

mslNOT) :sorry: :lol:

[margoose]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Ok, apologies, I'm not suggesting everyone should get excited and start rebelling right away. Sure, it is dangerous territory, requires a lot of research/expensive lawyers and could have consequences if it goes wrong. However it is not delusional by any means and I was mainly pointing out that if we keep obeying the corporate ways for much longer, the Rule of Law will be gone completely, and with it goes the British concept of freedom. If you've read the deceleration of rights they're clearly there for a reason but perhaps I was getting carried away for this thread... In all honesty I didn't realise the thread was 22 pages long until I received a reply.

[nemesis45]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Negative. No theories, based on facts of common law and magna carta. It always prevails when used correctly, as many people have already described in this thread for parking tickets. The entire establishment including internationally are themselves completely lawless today which is why everything is done from the top-down to suppress common law and reform national constitutions.

To encourage people to follow this delusional concept especially those who have legal problem and court hearings coming up is totally stupid and extremely dangerous.

[Indebt]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

I have no problem with anyone wishing to live their life how they choose. Every man (and woman) has the right to decide what (s)he does in life.

My issue with FMOTL is that they want to pick and choose which bits of our society they accept and which ones they don't. I don't like paying council tax, I don't like my council and I don't think they justify the money that they extract from me each year. However, in a democratic, civilised society, we have to accept a majority decision on things, otherwise there would be anarchy at every step of the way.


How would someone feel if a disabled person couldn't park their car because a fmotl was parked there. How would you feel if a fmotl ran over a child and then stated that he wasn't insured because he didn't believe he should buy insurance. How would you feel if your road tax went up £10 because you had to subsidise all the fmotl who were driving round tax free?

Fmotl is an ideal that will never work in a democracy that 60 odd million live in. Fmotl want to cherry pick the benefits they receive. They want to give their names in order to obtain passports but don't want to give them when the police stop them. They are happy for all benefits councils provide, including health and education but expect others to pay for it. They are quite happy for the police to act on their oath but do not want to contribute to the maintaining a police force.

Fmotl may have idealistic values but the movement has been hijacked (certainly in the UK) by freeloaders and attention seeking drama queens.

[margoose]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Negative. No theories, based on facts of common law and magna carta. It always prevails when used correctly, as several people have already described in this thread for parking tickets. The entire establishment including internationally are themselves completely lawless today which is why everything is being done from the top-down to suppress common law and reform national constitutions.

[mystery1]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

The simple fact is The Freemen/man on/of the Land " theory " is utter shite.

FYP.

M1

[nemesis45]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

The law which was written centuries ago is the very law that Britain is founded on. Common law, the Rule of Law, Coronation Oath and our Declaration of Rights are largely based on the Magna Carta and all together make up the British Constitution which is what FMOL is all about and is FAR MORE legit than the maritime/civil/corporate law that these parking tickets are based on. We had to win a revolution to get this law and freedom! It is the very thing that has provided British people with freedom for all these years. The same constitution founded the constitutions in America, India, New Zealand and Australia. It is slowly and quietly being "reformed" (replaced) by corporate/civil/maritime law which benefits the authorities and corporations only, i.e not 'THE PEOPLE' who are the 'FMOL' by definition.

Common law or FMOL was specifically designed and fought for, at our revolution, in order to protect us against tyrannical governments, parliaments and councils - yes you have to go in with eyes wide open because 'they' have bigger budgets and will always try to force the corporate law, but it's there, it's real and it's there to protect you. It won't be there for much longer, the way things are going, especially since most people don't know about it or are afraid to use it - use it or lose it folks! When corporate law is fully implemented there will be no freedom, you probably won't even be able to challenge a parking ticket, nevermind refuse to pay one.

The truth behind British law and the fight to get it back: http://www.britishconstitutiongroup.com/

To say anyone who mentions New World Order is a crackpot it factually incorrect. The New World Order is fully admitted by the people running it and it's flaunted in front of you everyday under the name "Globalisation". Anyone who does NOT believe the NWO is happening, is in fact the crackpot.

Also you say the corruption is not big in British government - what do you think now, three years on? Today we can see British government and authorities are completely lawless.

Best, m

The simple fact is The Freemen/man on/of the Land " theory " is internationally discredited and anyone attempting to use this nonsense in a UK court and other jurisdictions will undoubtedly come unstuck to say the least.

The whole movement is best ignored.

nemesis45 living in the REAL WORLD!!:duh:

[margoose]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

The law which was written centuries ago is the very law that Britain is founded on. Common law, the Rule of Law, Coronation Oath and our Declaration of Rights are largely based on the Magna Carta and all together make up the British Constitution which is what FMOL is all about and is FAR MORE legit than the maritime/civil/corporate law that these parking tickets are based on. We had to win a revolution to get this law and freedom! It is the very thing that has provided British people with freedom for all these years. The same constitution founded the constitutions in America, India, New Zealand and Australia. It is slowly and quietly being "reformed" (replaced) by corporate/civil/maritime law which benefits the authorities and corporations only, i.e not 'THE PEOPLE' who are the 'FMOL' by definition.

Common law or FMOL was specifically designed and fought for, at our revolution, in order to protect us against tyrannical governments, parliaments and councils - yes you have to go in with eyes wide open because 'they' have bigger budgets and will always try to force the corporate law, but it's there, it's real and it's there to protect you. It won't be there for much longer, the way things are going, especially since most people don't know about it or are afraid to use it - use it or lose it folks! When corporate law is fully implemented there will be no freedom, you probably won't even be able to challenge a parking ticket, nevermind refuse to pay one.

The truth behind British law and the fight to get it back: http://www.britishconstitutiongroup.com/

To say anyone who mentions New World Order is a crackpot it factually incorrect. The New World Order is fully admitted by the people running it and it's flaunted in front of you everyday under the name "Globalisation". Anyone who does NOT believe the NWO is happening, is in fact the crackpot.

Also you say the corruption is not big in British government - what do you think now, three years on? Today we can see British government and authorities are completely lawless.

Best, m

[bizzybob]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Go on, tell us more!

Oh oh, Freeman on the land drivel?

[Sir Vere Brayne d'Emmidge]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Personally I think you want to know if it works so you can try. Otherwise you wouldn't have asked. One thing I don't get WHY is someone fighting back against a system that is sucking use all dry and sharing their success a big problem for you. Let's just say it is illegal wouldn't you want to know there is a way to fight it or would you just continue paying just to keep the system happy??
Fact is it does work. I know someone who now owns her landlords house now. He took her to court She made a counterclaim using common law she claimed sovereigncy.They didn't turn up (because they knew they where wrong) jugde stood up bowed his head to her and walked out of court. She now owns he's house and if he wants it back under common law he must pay her a large sum of money...

Go on, tell us more!

[sarahguklondon]

Re: You can't ignore parking fines, can you?

Personally I think you want to know if it works so you can try. Otherwise you wouldn't have asked. One thing I don't get WHY is someone fighting back against a system that is sucking use all dry and sharing their success a big problem for you. Let's just say it is illegal wouldn't you want to know there is a way to fight it or would you just continue paying just to keep the system happy??
Fact is it does work. I know someone who now owns her landlords house now. He took her to court She made a counterclaim using common law she claimed sovereigncy.They didn't turn up (because they knew they where wrong) jugde stood up bowed his head to her and walked out of court. She now owns he's house and if he wants it back under common law he must pay her a large sum of money...