Really need your advice re: JBW

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Davyb is driving without a seatbelt a criminal offence?

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

No it is not a criminal offence as there is no injured party involved, but you still get a fine on the side of the road. This is contracts and if you consent then you have created a contract in which you pay, if you do not consent they use FEAR (arrested) to attempt to get you to consent. Why is it ok to tell people not to open the door to bailiffs? Why is it ok to tell people to not sign anything with the bailiff? That is so so easy to explain, well here im giving you the real reason why.

[bluebottle]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

No it is not a criminal offence as there is no injured party involved, but you still get a fine on the side of the road. This is contracts and if you consent then you have created a contract in which you pay, if you do not consent they use FEAR (arrested) to attempt to get you to consent. Why is it ok to tell people not to open the door to bailiffs? Why is it ok to tell people to not sign anything with the bailiff? That is so so easy to explain, well here im giving you the real reason why.

Why is it okay to tell people not to open the door to the bailiffs? Because a bailiff has no right, in law, to enter your home. Denying the bailiff access asserts this. In the case of Criminal Law, you have injured parties (offences against the person), losers (offences against property) and complainants (other offences).

A lot of Road Traffic Law is road safety measures and is in place to ensure the safety of all road users. Unfortunately, political interference and stupidity has resulted in fixed penalty mania.

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

No one has a right to enter your home but if you give consent for them to enter then they will. In the case of a bailiff, once you consent for them to enter they can enter using a locksmith as you have contracted with them and agreed that you owe money. Road safety measures, we get taught this on driving lessons, political or government interference is the contracts they have made via legislation/acts to make money from the public. They have just passed another not too long ago for bicycles on pedestrian walkways £30 fine, smoking in work vehicles, no seatbelts, speeding at 35 mph through a 30 zone all contracts based on consent and they use fear or threats of arrest to make you pay, just as a bailiff uses the threat of taking your car or clamping it, the same goes for taking your belongings to sell. No consent = no contract = no sale

Bailiffs have no right to clamp your vehicles, they have no right to take your vehicle and no right to enter your home, if you consent by way of agreeing verbally or signing a document then they can (proof is made by filling a walking possession where the bailiff logs items to take to sell at auction). To stop the bailiff you have to show them that you know your rights under contract law and administrative law by issuing a notice with charges attached to it. However, a court stamped with the crest (crown) is a different case altogether, was it a fine for criminal damage, assault, theft etc Im not talking about the county court or the bulk clearing centre in Northampton where they do not have a courtroom, that is a civil matter i.e parking fines, pcn's, all contracts.

Bailiffs are known to scare you with prison, you cannot be sent to prison for a debt. Halisburys laws of england books are charged at over £7000.00 this price is there for a reason, so what do you do? Forget purchasing halisburys so you head off to CAB who will advise you to offer payment, a lawyer will do the same as he is regulated by the law society and will maintain what the law wants and thats business as usual (contracts).

[Guest]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Hi

Perhaps you should espouse your novel theories on a thread of your own, instead of hijacking this one.

D

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Yes thank you davyb, but i was only trying to help a vulnerable person but seems i have hit a very soft spot with you known as the TRUTH.

[Guest]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Yes thank you davyb, but i was only trying to help a vulnerable person but seems i have hit a very soft spot with you known as the TRUTH.

We all do our best to help, but i cannot for the life of me see how your posts so far have assisted.
It seems to me that you are using the OPs dilemma as a vehicle to proffer your strange ideas and concepts of the way the law and society operates.

I just respectfully suggest that this would be best done on a thread specifically for the purpose, perhaps some may be interested enough to debate the ideas with you.

D

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Davyb, which part of my ideas are concerning you? Would it be the part that i say you cannot be fined only by a judge, or the consent part of your administrative processes?

[Celestine]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Legalese:

With all due respect, you have less than 20 posts here on Legal Beagles and you are promoting a previously unknown method of countering bailiff action. If you are correct, then this could be great news for our users and I would be delighted to learn more.

In the meantime, do not share any information by PM. We keep everything strictly 'on thread' here; which I suspect is why DavyB is questioning your motives. The only reason people share information by PM is to keep data privacy.

After all, we are a thorn in bailiff companies sides, you could easily be an individual from the bailiff industry causing 'mischief'!?

I am interested in your Trust theory. Please share the full details here. Please also give us some firm examples of how and when this technique has been used.

Thanks all.

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

We all do our best to help, but i cannot for the life of me see how your posts so far have assisted.
It seems to me that you are using the OPs dilemma as a vehicle to proffer your strange ideas and concepts of the way the law and society operates.

I just respectfully suggest that this would be best done on a thread specifically for the purpose, perhaps some may be interested enough to debate the ideas with you.

D

If you regard my help as strange ideas then i suggest you check out the legislation that protects us all, there is a maxim in law that states 'If you do not know your rights then you have none' or 'Ignorance of the law is no excuse'. Laws are there for us all but if we are ignorant of the law then it is our fault. What i am trying to say to the OP is this, do not be afraid of the bailiff as they have no power without consent nor do the police who fine us on the side of the road without our consent, by consenting you agree to pay. It is all based upon contracts and admin laws and processes not criminal laws. If you assault someone in the street you get arrested and put before a court or judge which in turn can imprison you or fine you, why do you not get an on the spot fine for that? Because its a crime against a person not a contract. Check it out for yourself, and if you think i am strange then notice how the law says it what you are looking for is the subjects rights further down the page.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Wi...2/introduction

[legalese]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Legalese:

With all due respect, you have less than 20 posts here on Legal Beagles and you are promoting a previously unknown method of countering bailiff action. If you are correct, then this could be great news for our users and I would be delighted to learn more.

In the meantime, do not share any information by PM. We keep everything strictly 'on thread' here; which I suspect is why DavyB is questioning your motives. The only reason people share information by PM is to keep data privacy.

After all, we are a thorn in bailiff companies sides, you could easily be an individual from the bailiff industry causing 'mischief'!?

I am interested in your Trust theory. Please share the full details here. Please also give us some firm examples of how and when this technique has been used.

Thanks all.

Appologies for that, yes of course i will share.

[bluebottle]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

No one has a right to enter your home but if you give consent for them to enter then they will. In the case of a bailiff, once you consent for them to enter they can enter using a locksmith as you have contracted with them and agreed that you owe money. Road safety measures, we get taught this on driving lessons, political or government interference is the contracts they have made via legislation/acts to make money from the public. They have just passed another not too long ago for bicycles on pedestrian walkways £30 fine, smoking in work vehicles, no seatbelts, speeding at 35 mph through a 30 zone all contracts based on consent and they use fear or threats of arrest to make you pay, just as a bailiff uses the threat of taking your car or clamping it, the same goes for taking your belongings to sell. No consent = no contract = no sale

Bailiffs have no right to clamp your vehicles, they have no right to take your vehicle and no right to enter your home, if you consent by way of agreeing verbally or signing a document then they can (proof is made by filling a walking possession where the bailiff logs items to take to sell at auction). To stop the bailiff you have to show them that you know your rights under contract law and administrative law by issuing a notice with charges attached to it. However, a court stamped with the crest (crown) is a different case altogether, was it a fine for criminal damage, assault, theft etc Im not talking about the county court or the bulk clearing centre in Northampton where they do not have a courtroom, that is a civil matter i.e parking fines, pcn's, all contracts.

Bailiffs are known to scare you with prison, you cannot be sent to prison for a debt. Halisburys laws of england books are charged at over £7000.00 this price is there for a reason, so what do you do? Forget purchasing halisburys so you head off to CAB who will advise you to offer payment, a lawyer will do the same as he is regulated by the law society and will maintain what the law wants and thats business as usual (contracts).

Most public reference libraries and most university libraries with public access have copies of Halsbury's, Stone's, Butterworth's, Halstead's and most other legal textbooks available for the public to refer to; the main problem is that most people have never heard of them, unless they have worked in or are currently employed in the legal profession or in law enforcement. With regard to council tax, there is a procedure under the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992 (as amended) called a Regulation 46 complaint. What this does is haul the local authority before the magistrates court to explain what the hell they think they're doing and to stop any unlawful/illegal behaviour related to council tax enforcement, as well as award damages to the council tax debtor for any loss or trespass on their land.

I am well-familiar with the tactics of certificated bailiffs having dealt with the more violent elements amongst them when I was in the police force. They rely on people's ignorance of the law to achieve their objectives. But once they realise you know the law and that they are going to have an uphill battle trying to achieve their objectives, a lot of them will back off. Only the foolhardy ones take a chance and engage in illegal behaviour.

[Guest]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

If you regard my help as strange ideas then i suggest you check out the legislation that protects us all, there is a maxim in law that states 'If you do not know your rights then you have none' or 'Ignorance of the law is no excuse'. Laws are there for us all but if we are ignorant of the law then it is our fault. What i am trying to say to the OP is this, do not be afraid of the bailiff as they have no power without consent nor do the police who fine us on the side of the road without our consent, by consenting you agree to pay. It is all based upon contracts and admin laws and processes not criminal laws. If you assault someone in the street you get arrested and put before a court or judge which in turn can imprison you or fine you, why do you not get an on the spot fine for that? Because its a crime against a person not a contract. Check it out for yourself, and if you think i am strange then notice how the law says it what you are looking for is the subjects rights further down the page.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Wi...2/introduction

I am fully conversant with the law regarding what the bailiffs can and cannot do, as are many on here, we have a section of the forum devoted to the subject.

From what i gather your approach is that the bailiff has no power to enforce a warrant or order unless you give it to him.

This is untrue, he is empowered by the legislation. If a policeman issues a fine and you do not pay then the fine does not just go away, why would it, on the contrary it escalates, this is not news to the people on here.

"They have no power without consent", what does that mean, is it that a person can break the laws and statutes (civil or criminal) with completer impunity as long as they just do not acknowledge they exist.
I m sorry experience tells me otherwise.

In its wider sense the phrase refers to democracy as a whole of course.

You seem to have an off beat view about many things, the books you mention are expensive because they are produced for a minority market, there is no conspiracy there, my daughter has just completed a nursing course, medical books have the same sort of price tag for the same reason.

D

[Guest]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

As i feared this is turning into a debate on fundamental principles of law, if you have workable evidence of methods of fighting bailiffs please demonstrate.
D

[mlc]

Re: Really need your advice re: JBW

Hi All,

Wow, alot been going on here!!!....

I'm open to all suggestions and help to keep these bailiffs away, i would do a breakdance whilst eating an ice cream if it worked...lol

Can i ask those,when you have me done as VULNERABLE, could you explain more on this, as i'm a stable strong person,not mental health or anything!!!!
Yes i don't like intimidation and i think even the hardest of persons would feel intimidated, but like Legalese states, if you haven't knowledge on the law then the whole process with the bailiffs is intimidating....

Tomorrow is D day for me when the line manager in parking fine office is getting back to me with regards to how we're going forward with this situation, either paying the fine at original cost or its going back into the bailiffs hands :-(.... so please keep fingers crossed for me!!

I do appreciate everyones advice and sorry not been on here much but riddled with a cold!!

Michelle