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  • Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

    Hi, I'm new here, and really hope someone can help me...

    To give a bit of background to our situation, here it is in brief:

    Last year, my husband didn't pay our Council Tax. I was oblivious to this, and didn't find out until it was already in the hands of Bailiffs. I came home from work one day in January to find a hand delivered bailiff letter which is when I found out what had happened. My husband had entered into an agreement to pay the Enforcement Agency £20 a week, but he missed one payment, hence the home visit in January, demanding payment in full. I phone the Council and explained that we couldn't pay the full amount, and would they please call off the bailiff which they did.

    Fast forward to Thursday. I drove home for lunch to find a man sitting in a van parked outside my house. I parked and as I passed the van he asked was I Mrs X, which I confirmed that I was. He said he was a Council Officer from the Council Tax department, and wanted me to sign a form 'renewing the payment agreement of £20 a week for the new financial year'. I said that I was uncomfortable signing anything, because it was my husband who dealt with these things, so he returned to his van to finished filling in some forms whilst I went into the house. A few minutes later he knocked on the door, I opened it and he handed me a sealed envelope and off he went.

    I put the envelope to one side for my husband to deal with on his return from work the following day (he works away Mon - Fri).

    So, on Friday my husband arrived home from work and opened the envelope which in fact wasn't forms 'renewing our agreement', but a Walking Possession order stating that our car would be seized in 5 days if we did not pay in full. I am livid that I didn't ask this man for ID when he claimed to be from the council, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. I am also livid that I went home for lunch that day; if I hadn't he wouldn't have seen my car

    It turns out that my husband forgot to phone up to make last week's £20 payment, but before we were even aware of the Walking Possession, he had called them and paid both last week's and this week's in one payment.

    I am now really worried and haven't slept since Thursday. I would really appreciate it if someone could give some general advice, and also address these particular questions. I have been googling like crazy, but there a few points on which I am unclear:

    1) I have read that a Walking Possession can only be made once a bailiff has entered your home. This man did not enter my home, but I did open the door to him and accept the envelope. Does this count as gainful entry?

    2) Can a Walking Possession be made on a car, even if gainful entry into the home is not granted?

    3) I have hidden my car which is a pain, but I am still worried that he may find it. In it are my children's car seats, and I have read that they must not take items which belong to / are used by a child. Can/should this make a difference?

    4) Can I make anything of the fact that he was dishonest about his identity? I do not have any proof, but would it be worth reporting his actions to anyone?

    I have more questions, but can't think of them right now. Head is spinning as you can imagine.

    Thanks in advance.
    ------------------------------- merged -------------------------------
    Also, I am assuming that the 5 days notice includes weekends?
    Last edited by anony-mouse; 19th June 2011, 20:22:PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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    Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

    You were very lucky that the council called the bailiffs off after one phone call, that's very unusual. If you're sure they agreed that, phone again and ask them to put it in writing for you. You will then have proof this was agreed.

    You can then phone or write to the council reminding them of their vicarious liability with the bailiff company.

    I would start by going to the Bailifff section and reading the Bailiff's Guide by Amy you'll find in there. If you have further questions, come back and post them up.

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    • #3
      Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

      Thank you. I will contact the Council tomorrow to see what they can do. I didn't realise that it's usually more difficult than that to get them to call off the bailiffs. I suppose my terror came across over the phone; I'm so very scared that I will inadvertently leave a window open and that my children will witness something they shouldn't.

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      • #4
        Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

        Hiya

        Read this before anything else:
        Bailiff Guide - Legal Beagles Consumer Forum

        Some Councils use in-house bailiffs. Did your bailiffs paperwork state the name of a bailiff firm or the Council itself.

        Council bailiffs are direct Council employees who often work under a pseudonym! I suspect these are in house bailiffs, so that was why you were able to get them to back off.

        Yes, they will levy your vehicle, so keep it hidden! Deal direct with the Council Tax office to set up a payment plan.
        "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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        • #5
          Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

          I did read the Bailiff's Guide before posting, so would really appreciate if someone can address my specific questions above.
          ------------------------------- merged -------------------------------
          Thank you Celestine. The paperwork has the Enforcement Agency name on it, but perhaps you are right in that they are Council controlled.

          So, the Walking Possession on my car is valid, even though I did not sign the paperwork and did not let him into the house?
          Last edited by anony-mouse; 19th June 2011, 20:43:PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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          • #6
            Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

            Who are the bailiff company, and which council is it?
            Is no longer here

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            • #7
              Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

              Originally posted by anony-mouse View Post
              I did read the Bailiff's Guide before posting, so would really appreciate if someone can address my specific questions above.
              ------------------------------- merged -------------------------------
              Thank you Celestine. The paperwork has the Enforcement Agency name on it, but perhaps you are right in that they are Council controlled.

              So, the Walking Possession on my car is valid, even though I did not sign the paperwork and did not let him into the house?
              Yup, sounds like an in-house team. I work for a Council and we use in-house bailiffs for Council Tax.
              Which Council are you with?

              Generally speaking, in-house is far better than an external team of bailiff sharks. Your best way forward is quite simply to set up a manageable payment plan.

              Yes, it sounds like your vehicle has been levied, so even though they have not been in your home, they may well act on this.

              Hopefully Amy will be along shortly to check out what you can do on this.
              "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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              • #8
                Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

                Thank you everyone.

                The Council is Carmarthenshire, and the bailiff is from Andrew James.

                We already have a payment plan in place - £20 a week - but my husband missed one payment last week (I am furious with him, but that's another story!). I'm worried that they will view this as some sort of refusal to pay even though he has now caught up.

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                • #9
                  Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

                  No, then the bailiff is NOT in-house.

                  So you've already caught up with the arrears? Are they now demanding the full amount outstanding?
                  "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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                  • #10
                    Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

                    Originally posted by Celestine View Post
                    No, then the bailiff is NOT in-house.

                    So you've already caught up with the arrears? Are they now demanding the full amount outstanding?
                    I don't know. The bailiff called on Thursday, and my husband caught up with the payments on Friday morning. I am assuming that the demand for the full amount will still stand? I guess I won't know until I phone them in the morning.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

                      Was there not an amount demanded on the paperwork?

                      Hopefully, as they've been reasonable so far, you'll be able to resume your payments after this minor glitch.

                      My employers did this to my sister when she was merely 48 hrs late paying her instalment.

                      Hopefully you'll get a sympathetic Council Officer......hurl the blame at your husband lol! Is he in the dog house somewhat?! :beagle:
                      "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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                      • #12
                        Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

                        Husband most definitely in the doghouse!

                        Thanks so much for all your help. I feel a bit calmer about the situation now, and will let you know how I get on tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

                          Have the council confirmed to you how much is outstanding and how much as been paid so far?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

                            No Amy. On the Walking Possession paperwork, there was the original amount due of £700 odd (sorry, don't have it in front of me, so am estimating)
                            Then underneath the bailiff charges for two visits, it shows a total amount due of around £380.
                            Do you think I should ask the council for the amount due to them and pay them directly? I have some savings and want to just sort this out for good, but am still worried that the bailiffs will take action before I can get things sorted out.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Urgent help needed re: Bailiff

                              Definitely pay the Council direct. Do NOT pay the bailiff anything.

                              With CT debt the Golden Goal is to return the debt to the Council.

                              £380 for 2 visits!!!!???
                              "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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