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I am new on here and last July 2009 I had an incident that I need help with.
For a simple parking ticket I contested the council involved acquired the services of a debt company called JBW Group. They then appointed a bailiff and a friend to visit my property.
I was in my front garden when they entered my front gate. They did not announce they were bailiffs and as there were two of them I turned to step inside my door. With my back turned to them I was struck from behind and hit my wooden stairs hard. Thinking I was being burgled I turned and grabbed a guy much bigger then me and rammed him against a wall INSIDE my house. When he then explained he was a bailiff I let him go.
They took:
Litespeed Ocoee Custom built Mountain Bike (cost today £6000)
Samsung LCD LE40A656 TV (cost £1300)
Panasonic Blu-Ray Player BD-30 (cost £350 few months old!)
Omega Seamaster Watch (worth £500+ but I told them I paid 120)
Toshiba Upscaler DVD (cost £60)
Their invoice reads:
Ocoee Rally Bike (RRP£2000) sold £400 (!?!?!?!)
Large TV sold £200
Omega Seamaster Watch sold £120 (odd as thats what I said i paid!)
Toshiba DVD Upscaler sold £10 (fantastic as it was cheap rubbish)
DVD Player sold £5 (five pounds! award winning player 6 months old and had JUST come available when I bought it!!)
All items were purchased new and all receipts. The bike was famous and only on of its kind!! It appears in a copy of What Mountain Bike Magazine with my name printed above it asthe owner and the shed it was leaning against was in my front garden.
They left me a phone number to pay that did not exist. The bailiff, a Mr Reeves, also wrote down his number but one of the numbers was unreadable!! So I made him write them down again on the bottom of the paperwork (clear to be seen!!)I tried to contact them several times to no avail. When i did get sent a phone number two days before the deadline I rang the number to make payments. They refused to take payment as I needed to contact the bailiff, which I had tried. The told me they were NOT rsponsible for the sale of the goods (though copy of the invoices I have contradicts this).
I suffered from severe stress and took two overdoses and the second time ended up in hospital. I phoned the Police on the day and they were crap, as was my GP. I also contracted Swine Flu within 5 days of the bailiffs visit. When the Police did come round they told me it was my word aginst theirs so as there was two of them I was up a creek. So I set about planning just how I was going to prve they were crooks but did not know how. Then, by chance, the very store that built the bike for me had a phonecall from someone that spotted it in an auction. Due to the very expensive nature of the bike he was shocked that hsi friends had built it as they had never built one before and rang them about it. Hearing why it was there they were so shocked they offered to buy it back, but when the store realised he onl ad a £1000 on him they laughed and said he would ned double that but to keep an eye on it. He did and I know it sold for £2,750!!! But the invoice I have here states that it sold for £400!!! Also as I understand it it was also a completely different auction to the one they claim to have sold it at.
I tried to get a solicitor involved over the assault but to no avail. I did get a Police reference number and Crime Number for the incident. I sent a stream of letters to the debt compay and they finally sent me a bailiffs report and a copy of the invoice for the auction. The report is full of mistakes and lies that are easily disproven. They got the date wrong they attended my property. They also made the serios error of NOT admitting to assaulting me but not being abe to resist stating that I assaulted them, something I was banking on. According to them I ran away inside my house when they announced they were bailiffs, yeah right, but left my door wide open for them to enter peacefully but when they did it was THEN that I attacked them grabbing him by the throat with my right hand.
Unbelievably brain dead. Plus it was actually my left hand as my right hand, along with my right knee ankles, feet and back, all suffer from physical problems and experience pain, been on medical record for years!
The claimed they called the Police, they did nothing of the kind. He admits I did show him the bike in the magazine (one of a kind bike only one like it in the country, possibly the world) but he could not be sure it was th same bike! Yeah right.
The letter from JBW Group actually states every item in detail, manufacturer etc, but fail to notice that their list doe not coincide with the invoice, nor the fact the bailiff got the date wrong. But I had pretty much figured that JBW Group were crooked too as they ignored dozens of attempts at contact, by both email and letter and stated they had no record o being contacted by me. Very bad for a organisation granted with those kin of powers!!
Community Legal Advice misquoted the law to me! Stating it was perfectly OK to be knocked on your arse from behind by a bailiff and told me, in the early days, I had no case!!
You write to solicitors and 10%, by email, you contact come back email address not valid!! About 2% actually gve you the curteousy of a reply. The rest of the lazy, good for nothing people do not even bother to answer you!! I have worked as a PA to a solicitor and quite honestly I do NOT like them. They seem to think that there degreees are different to hos of others and always seem aloof and looking down there noses at people. One I wored for wanted to be paid £100 per hour just to fill in forms!! Anything to do with appearing in court they did NOT want to know!
I have been asking JBW Group for the names of the industries/Ombudsman
that govern debt collectors and bailiffs but have recieved no answer as yet, surprise surprise!!
Sorry about the length, I have left out alot of detail and facts involved but I wanted you to know the size of the problem I have and the amount of money I have been robbed for! Fine was £550. I calculate they sold my belongings for around £4000. They claim to have recieved £735 for eveything and I am due no refunds! LOL.
Does anyone any where have any information or any advice? This would be very much appreciated!!
I have been working hard and beavering away because i do not want these people to get away with it.
I fact I WILL NOT let them get away with it, but I want to do it legally through te courts. But it seems you need money to enforce the laws in this country!!
Well I know the facts and I will NEVER let this go now, now that I know what these people are.
Oh I did write to BBC watchdog and hey sent me a letter. I need to send them the details of latest developments.
Latest Developments:
I have had my £10 Postal Order returned to me for a Subject Access Request!! They refused to give it to me.
I did, and do, have someone helping me. But after 6 weeks I am still unsure of their ideas on what can be achieved on this, or what we can take action on other than Excessive Seizure.
I spent a long long time getting the evidence I have in my possession. I spent a lont time locating witnessess. The sole purpose of doing this was to expose their underhand nature and anility to lie, defraud, conspire and be very inconsistent. From this I could pursue something against the affect they have had on my life and my health.
I am on another forum with this and have had a great many emails from people, many of which thanking me for what i have managed to achieve so far.
As most of you are no doubt already aware, their is precious little out there by way of solicitors who know anything about this, or dare do anything about this.
Basically I am hoping to locate a solicitor out there somehwere who DOES know about this and who can look at the digital photos I have of the bailiffs report and invoice, which really IS quite laughable.
I also hope that other victims out there can learn things from what I have done. I know 99% of how it all works. There is one little bit of information that contradicts with what is accepted by the top people who know about this:
The scam is between three groups. Debt Co, Bailiffs and Auction House. It would appear their paperwork all backs each other up. The confusion lies in the responsibilty of the sale of the goods. What I am told by people advising me does not quite match up with what I have witnessed. BUT the paperwork backs up what they say! There lies the confusion and at some point I will work out why this discrepency exists.
Thus ar the breakdown is:
Assault/Theft/Excessive Seizure: Bailiffs (who also refused to take a £3000 collectors car!!)
Theft/Deception : Debt Company (report, self incrimination by backing up ridiculous invoice)
Fraud : Auction House
Breach of Civil Right Agreement, Not registered with High Comissioners Office for Administration and Enforcement of Parking, Data Protection Issues.
: Local Council
The person who is meant to be helping me was told of my story on another forum. They then set out rying to gain contact with me. I was then told by them, among others, that my case, if true, is VERY VERY BIG. After 7 weeks I still do not know what was meant by any of these statements. Nor have I been given any idea of what actions will be taken other than Excessive Seizure. Though in the beginning eveything I listed above was repeatedly stated to me on the phone!!
There has been serious health implications to what they did.
i also reported it and have a Police Crime Number and Police Reference Number.
So, if anyone out there gets help from this or wants to ask me anythhng feel free.
If anyone knows of a good solicitor out there that is knowledgable and capable on these areas I would be very grateful to hear from you.
Thanks for reading.
Martin
For a simple parking ticket I contested the council involved acquired the services of a debt company called JBW Group. They then appointed a bailiff and a friend to visit my property.
I was in my front garden when they entered my front gate. They did not announce they were bailiffs and as there were two of them I turned to step inside my door. With my back turned to them I was struck from behind and hit my wooden stairs hard. Thinking I was being burgled I turned and grabbed a guy much bigger then me and rammed him against a wall INSIDE my house. When he then explained he was a bailiff I let him go.
They took:
Litespeed Ocoee Custom built Mountain Bike (cost today £6000)
Samsung LCD LE40A656 TV (cost £1300)
Panasonic Blu-Ray Player BD-30 (cost £350 few months old!)
Omega Seamaster Watch (worth £500+ but I told them I paid 120)
Toshiba Upscaler DVD (cost £60)
Their invoice reads:
Ocoee Rally Bike (RRP£2000) sold £400 (!?!?!?!)
Large TV sold £200
Omega Seamaster Watch sold £120 (odd as thats what I said i paid!)
Toshiba DVD Upscaler sold £10 (fantastic as it was cheap rubbish)
DVD Player sold £5 (five pounds! award winning player 6 months old and had JUST come available when I bought it!!)
All items were purchased new and all receipts. The bike was famous and only on of its kind!! It appears in a copy of What Mountain Bike Magazine with my name printed above it asthe owner and the shed it was leaning against was in my front garden.
They left me a phone number to pay that did not exist. The bailiff, a Mr Reeves, also wrote down his number but one of the numbers was unreadable!! So I made him write them down again on the bottom of the paperwork (clear to be seen!!)I tried to contact them several times to no avail. When i did get sent a phone number two days before the deadline I rang the number to make payments. They refused to take payment as I needed to contact the bailiff, which I had tried. The told me they were NOT rsponsible for the sale of the goods (though copy of the invoices I have contradicts this).
I suffered from severe stress and took two overdoses and the second time ended up in hospital. I phoned the Police on the day and they were crap, as was my GP. I also contracted Swine Flu within 5 days of the bailiffs visit. When the Police did come round they told me it was my word aginst theirs so as there was two of them I was up a creek. So I set about planning just how I was going to prve they were crooks but did not know how. Then, by chance, the very store that built the bike for me had a phonecall from someone that spotted it in an auction. Due to the very expensive nature of the bike he was shocked that hsi friends had built it as they had never built one before and rang them about it. Hearing why it was there they were so shocked they offered to buy it back, but when the store realised he onl ad a £1000 on him they laughed and said he would ned double that but to keep an eye on it. He did and I know it sold for £2,750!!! But the invoice I have here states that it sold for £400!!! Also as I understand it it was also a completely different auction to the one they claim to have sold it at.
I tried to get a solicitor involved over the assault but to no avail. I did get a Police reference number and Crime Number for the incident. I sent a stream of letters to the debt compay and they finally sent me a bailiffs report and a copy of the invoice for the auction. The report is full of mistakes and lies that are easily disproven. They got the date wrong they attended my property. They also made the serios error of NOT admitting to assaulting me but not being abe to resist stating that I assaulted them, something I was banking on. According to them I ran away inside my house when they announced they were bailiffs, yeah right, but left my door wide open for them to enter peacefully but when they did it was THEN that I attacked them grabbing him by the throat with my right hand.
Unbelievably brain dead. Plus it was actually my left hand as my right hand, along with my right knee ankles, feet and back, all suffer from physical problems and experience pain, been on medical record for years!
The claimed they called the Police, they did nothing of the kind. He admits I did show him the bike in the magazine (one of a kind bike only one like it in the country, possibly the world) but he could not be sure it was th same bike! Yeah right.
The letter from JBW Group actually states every item in detail, manufacturer etc, but fail to notice that their list doe not coincide with the invoice, nor the fact the bailiff got the date wrong. But I had pretty much figured that JBW Group were crooked too as they ignored dozens of attempts at contact, by both email and letter and stated they had no record o being contacted by me. Very bad for a organisation granted with those kin of powers!!
Community Legal Advice misquoted the law to me! Stating it was perfectly OK to be knocked on your arse from behind by a bailiff and told me, in the early days, I had no case!!
You write to solicitors and 10%, by email, you contact come back email address not valid!! About 2% actually gve you the curteousy of a reply. The rest of the lazy, good for nothing people do not even bother to answer you!! I have worked as a PA to a solicitor and quite honestly I do NOT like them. They seem to think that there degreees are different to hos of others and always seem aloof and looking down there noses at people. One I wored for wanted to be paid £100 per hour just to fill in forms!! Anything to do with appearing in court they did NOT want to know!
I have been asking JBW Group for the names of the industries/Ombudsman
that govern debt collectors and bailiffs but have recieved no answer as yet, surprise surprise!!Sorry about the length, I have left out alot of detail and facts involved but I wanted you to know the size of the problem I have and the amount of money I have been robbed for! Fine was £550. I calculate they sold my belongings for around £4000. They claim to have recieved £735 for eveything and I am due no refunds! LOL.
Does anyone any where have any information or any advice? This would be very much appreciated!!
I have been working hard and beavering away because i do not want these people to get away with it.
I fact I WILL NOT let them get away with it, but I want to do it legally through te courts. But it seems you need money to enforce the laws in this country!!
Well I know the facts and I will NEVER let this go now, now that I know what these people are.
Oh I did write to BBC watchdog and hey sent me a letter. I need to send them the details of latest developments.
Latest Developments:
I have had my £10 Postal Order returned to me for a Subject Access Request!! They refused to give it to me.
I did, and do, have someone helping me. But after 6 weeks I am still unsure of their ideas on what can be achieved on this, or what we can take action on other than Excessive Seizure.
I spent a long long time getting the evidence I have in my possession. I spent a lont time locating witnessess. The sole purpose of doing this was to expose their underhand nature and anility to lie, defraud, conspire and be very inconsistent. From this I could pursue something against the affect they have had on my life and my health.
I am on another forum with this and have had a great many emails from people, many of which thanking me for what i have managed to achieve so far.
As most of you are no doubt already aware, their is precious little out there by way of solicitors who know anything about this, or dare do anything about this.
Basically I am hoping to locate a solicitor out there somehwere who DOES know about this and who can look at the digital photos I have of the bailiffs report and invoice, which really IS quite laughable.
I also hope that other victims out there can learn things from what I have done. I know 99% of how it all works. There is one little bit of information that contradicts with what is accepted by the top people who know about this:
The scam is between three groups. Debt Co, Bailiffs and Auction House. It would appear their paperwork all backs each other up. The confusion lies in the responsibilty of the sale of the goods. What I am told by people advising me does not quite match up with what I have witnessed. BUT the paperwork backs up what they say! There lies the confusion and at some point I will work out why this discrepency exists.
Thus ar the breakdown is:
Assault/Theft/Excessive Seizure: Bailiffs (who also refused to take a £3000 collectors car!!)
Theft/Deception : Debt Company (report, self incrimination by backing up ridiculous invoice)
Fraud : Auction House
Breach of Civil Right Agreement, Not registered with High Comissioners Office for Administration and Enforcement of Parking, Data Protection Issues.
: Local Council
The person who is meant to be helping me was told of my story on another forum. They then set out rying to gain contact with me. I was then told by them, among others, that my case, if true, is VERY VERY BIG. After 7 weeks I still do not know what was meant by any of these statements. Nor have I been given any idea of what actions will be taken other than Excessive Seizure. Though in the beginning eveything I listed above was repeatedly stated to me on the phone!!
There has been serious health implications to what they did.
i also reported it and have a Police Crime Number and Police Reference Number.
So, if anyone out there gets help from this or wants to ask me anythhng feel free.
If anyone knows of a good solicitor out there that is knowledgable and capable on these areas I would be very grateful to hear from you.
Thanks for reading.
Martin
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